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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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timorous said:
Aside from the 4090 the entire stack is at the wrong price with arguably the wrong naming as well.

If NV wanted a $1,200 part it needed to be a further cut AD102 part with maybe 20GB of ram and probably called a 4080Ti.

The current 4080 is fine on AD103 but should be closer to $700.
The current 4070Ti should really be a 4070 and be closer to $550.
The current 4070 should be a 4060 for around $350.

Maybe NV will do a super refresh and these will be the 4060 Super will be basically the same as the 4070 but for $350-400, the 4070 Super will be a cut AD103 die with ~4070ti performance and 16GB of ram for the $500-550 mark, a 4080 Super can be a cut AD102 die with 20GB of ram at the $1,200 mark and the 4090Ti can slot in at the very top with a full AD102 die at maybe $2,000. 4090 would still exist and the 4080 can get a price cut to $700-800. NV did this with the 2000 series so not impossible IMO.
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Well they better do something quick smart to shift stock, or come Blackwell they gonna have the same situation of a mountain load of previous gen when they have next gen to launch.
 
timorous said:
Aside from the 4090 the entire stack is at the wrong price with arguably the wrong naming as well.

If NV wanted a $1,200 part it needed to be a further cut AD102 part with maybe 20GB of ram and probably called a 4080Ti.

The current 4080 is fine on AD103 but should be closer to $700.
The current 4070Ti should really be a 4070 and be closer to $550.
The current 4070 should be a 4060 for around $350.

Maybe NV will do a super refresh and these will be the 4060 Super will be basically the same as the 4070 but for $350-400, the 4070 Super will be a cut AD103 die with ~4070ti performance and 16GB of ram for the $500-550 mark, a 4080 Super can be a cut AD102 die with 20GB of ram at the $1,200 mark and the 4090Ti can slot in at the very top with a full AD102 die at maybe $2,000. 4090 would still exist and the 4080 can get a price cut to $700-800. NV did this with the 2000 series so not impossible IMO.
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The 4090 is also at the wrong price. It should have been the 4080ti that card at $1200 if we are pricing as the previous two generations gone.

The whole ADA line-up is tiers raised again with the wrong names to them. From top to bottom.
 
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timorous said:
GPUBrandingCores% of Top dieBusBandwidthMSRP
GP102AD1023840100%----2017 had Titan xP release with the full die at $1,200
GP102Titan X358493.3%384 bit480.4 GBps$1,200
GP1021080Ti358493.3%352 bit484.4 GBps$699 (2017 release)
GP1041080256066.67%256 bit320.3 GBps$599
GP1041070192050%256 bit252.3 GBps$379
GP1061060 6GB128033.3%192 bit192.2 GBPs$299

If we add in Pascal as well we get a similar story. 1060 has 33.3% of the the full die shaders and matched the 980. The 1070 is around half the shaders of the full die variant and the 1080 was around 66%. Titan X is a bit better than 4090 but the refresh 1080Ti took that spot at a lower price point and Titan xP took the $1,200 spot in 2017.

If that had been followed you would get something like this.

BrandingCores% of Top DieBusMSRPPerformance
40901638488.9%384 bit$1,5994090
40801228866.67%256 bit$799Between current 4080 and 4090.
4070972852.8%256 bit$599about current 4080
4060614433.3%192 bit$399about 3080 / current 4070

That stack would be in line with the historical stacks and pricing is basically 2000 series pricing which was a bit higher than 3000 series at each tier and allows for inflation / higher costs while not totally screwing the customer.
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Yep. Your graph is exactly what it should be like. I'd be happy to buy a 4070 at that price and perf.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I kept telling people on here,that the RTX4070 is really an RTX3060. Its similar to what a 60 series cards is relative to the top,and has the same memory configuration. I also pointed out that the AD104 is a third tier die,just like 106 series dGPUs.

The RTX4060TI is going to either use a severely cut down AD104 or the fourth tier AD106. The RTX3050 used either a severely cut down third tier GA106 or a fourth tier GA107. They both have the same memory configuration. The RTX3050 also increased the £150 price point of the 50 series to above £200.

People were half-jokingly saying we would get 50 series dGPUs above £300. Well here we are. All because of FOMO,which you would expect kids to have.
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In summery, Nvidia take the urine...
 
Sgt_Major said:
Welcome to 2023, that must be some strong coffee you just had to finally have woken up to reality :D
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TBH a lot of people probably don't follow these moves in realtime. This is why people need to keep talking about it,as I expect Nvidia wants all of this to be swept under the carpet,as do their uber fans.
 
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Well went for the Asus 4070 MSRP card in the end for my second pc. Only play a few games and all support frame gen which is an excellent feature.
Nice small card, low power usage, great for my ITX case.
 
Jono8 said:
Yep. Your graph is exactly what it should be like. I'd be happy to buy a 4070 at that price and perf.
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The current RTX4070 is lower power and small....just like a 60 series dGPU is! So the reality is PCMR tries to spin these "advantages" when it's basically something lower end tarted up to the top. As I mentioned before:

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gpuerrilla said:
Yeah power seems to have made a comeback at being a key feature all of a sudden. :rolleyes:
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Except it's not really all of a sudden though is it. In this poll before the new GPUs were released, power consumption and efficiency was voted as the number one factor for deciding their next GPU purchase.

What will be your 3 main factors for deciding on your next GPU?

Rasterization performance Ray tracing performance VRAM amount Feature set on offer i.e. shadowplay, dlss, fsr Power consumption & efficiency Have left out price per performance as obviously that is the main thing for everyone and goes without saying and obviously, it would be nice to have all...
forums.overclockers.co.uk forums.overclockers.co.uk

Even before electricity prices skyrocketed, power efficiency has always been an important consideration for me because it can get uncomfortable in the summer with a power hungry GPU.
 
gpuerrilla said:
See this post above. Catch up.
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The problem with that is the RX 6800 was a bit of a mythical card never really manufactured in high volume. The RX 6600 was a very low end card lacking in performance for most people. It also doesn't factor in DLSS which can make the Nvidia cards substantially more power efficient for a given graphical quality level.
 
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Your sidestepping the point, they were the most efficient cards; but if it was such a "number one factor" then this would have been reflected. These AMD cards have been getting cheaper over the past year to make it better value. Hence the point its suddenly a great reason to splash the cash when all other features basically cost tons more this gen. The 6700/6700XT/6750XT would be my pick over the 3070 which were not low end cards... and been available for ages.
 
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