RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

[gpuerrilla]

The 4070 is essentially a 4060 or Ti in anything but name.

With a lovely nvidia greed tax on top.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 4070 is essentially a 4060 or Ti in anything but name.

At this rate even a A770 16GB is going to be better than a 4060 and cheaper, with more vram.

Intel is also making some decent driver improvements too.

 

[Joxeon]

Is 10gb enough in 2023? steve says yes and he would take one over the 6800xt at similar price. 4070 has made them both obsolete at £500 or more.

The 3080 aged well because it delivered that level of performance 2.5 years ago but it is struggling now especially at 4k, imagen how poor the 4070 will look in 2.5 years with it only delivering the performance of what will be a 5 year old 3080 by then.

 

[timorous]

I saw this posted on TPU:

GPU	Branding	Cores	% of Top die	Bus	Bandwidth	MSRP
GP102	AD102	3840	100%	--	--	2017 had Titan xP release with the full die at $1,200
GP102	Titan X	3584	93.3%	384 bit	480.4 GBps	$1,200
GP102	1080Ti	3584	93.3%	352 bit	484.4 GBps	$699 (2017 release)
GP104	1080	2560	66.67%	256 bit	320.3 GBps	$599
GP104	1070	1920	50%	256 bit	252.3 GBps	$379
GP106	1060 6GB	1280	33.3%	192 bit	192.2 GBPs	$299

If we add in Pascal as well we get a similar story. 1060 has 33.3% of the the full die shaders and matched the 980. The 1070 is around half the shaders of the full die variant and the 1080 was around 66%. Titan X is a bit better than 4090 but the refresh 1080Ti took that spot at a lower price point and Titan xP took the $1,200 spot in 2017.

If that had been followed you would get something like this.

Branding	Cores	% of Top Die	Bus	MSRP	Performance
4090	16384	88.9%	384 bit	$1,599	4090
4080	12288	66.67%	256 bit	$799	Between current 4080 and 4090.
4070	9728	52.8%	256 bit	$599	about current 4080
4060	6144	33.3%	192 bit	$399	about 3080 / current 4070

That stack would be in line with the historical stacks and pricing is basically 2000 series pricing which was a bit higher than 3000 series at each tier and allows for inflation / higher costs while not totally screwing the customer.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

GPU	Branding	Cores	% of Top die	Bus	Bandwidth	MSRP
GP102	AD102	3840	100%	--	--	2017 had Titan xP release with the full die at $1,200
GP102	Titan X	3584	93.3%	384 bit	480.4 GBps	$1,200
GP102	1080Ti	3584	93.3%	352 bit	484.4 GBps	$699 (2017 release)
GP104	1080	2560	66.67%	256 bit	320.3 GBps	$599
GP104	1070	1920	50%	256 bit	252.3 GBps	$379
GP106	1060 6GB	1280	33.3%	192 bit	192.2 GBPs	$299

If we add in Pascal as well we get a similar story. 1060 has 33.3% of the the full die shaders and matched the 980. The 1070 is around half the shaders of the full die variant and the 1080 was around 66%. Titan X is a bit better than 4090 but the refresh 1080Ti took that spot at a lower price point and Titan xP took the $1,200 spot in 2017.

If that had been followed you would get something like this.

Branding	Cores	% of Top Die	Bus	MSRP	Performance
4090	16384	88.9%	384 bit	$1,599	4090
4080	12288	66.67%	256 bit	$799	Between current 4080 and 4090.
4070	9728	52.8%	256 bit	$599	about current 4080
4060	6144	33.3%	192 bit	$399	about 3080 / current 4070

That stack would be in line with the historical stacks and pricing is basically 2000 series pricing which was a bit higher than 3000 series at each tier and allows for inflation / higher costs while not totally screwing the customer.

It's the same move Nvidia tried with Turing. Street prices of their dGPUs shot up as miners bought everything they could find. Then PCMR also paid those prices too. Then Nvidia was left with a lot of unsold Pascal stock,didn't want to discount it and liked the new higher street prices. This is exactly the same but even worse in all metrics.

 

[GhostDog1981]

It's the same move Nvidia tried with Turing. Street prices of their dGPUs shot up as miners bought everything they could find. Then PCMR also paid those prices too. Then Nvidia was left with a lot of unsold Pascal stock,didn't want to discount it and liked the new higher street prices. This is exactly the same but even worse in all metrics.

Time to jump over to Mama Su!

 

[Rroff]

That stack would be in line with the historical stacks and pricing is basically 2000 series pricing which was a bit higher than 3000 series at each tier and allows for inflation / higher costs while not totally screwing the customer.

That is pretty much what I'd have expected out of the line up - personally I can accept that I won't get a x70 class GPU for £480 like I did with the 3070 or £300 like I did with the 1070 but the 4070 is just taking the mick.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Time to jump over to Mama Su!

AMD is a bit better,but it seems they are learning from Nvidia.So if what Nvidia does works,it also means AMD can take advantage of it too!

 

[Author_25]

The 4070 is essentially a 4060 or Ti in anything but name.

At this rate even a A770 16GB is going to be better than a 4060 and cheaper, with more vram.

After the last driver update it pretty near a 3060 Ti.

Perhaps BattleMage will save us.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Intel is also making some decent driver improvements too.

but like 399 for 16gb,cheapest i found, is it a viable option, im not so sure.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

but like 399 cheapest i found, is it a viable option, im not so sure.

The A750 is £230,and the A770 8GB around £270. I have seen the reference A770 16G for around £370,but I think it is big premium for 8GB more VRAM.

 

[rare]

but like 399 for 16gb,cheapest i found, is it a viable option, im not so sure.

The LE (when it’s back in stock) is 370 which is a bit better. The performance is inconsistent, but £370 for a 16GB card with performance between a 3060-3070 isn’t too bad. The 750 is a much better buy though IMO, only 8GB and reduced specs but not a huge loss in performance and at £250 it’s very competitive.

6700/6750 are good cards, and I’ve been contemplating one. I particularly wanted the strix just for the aesthetics but at £440 you are ‘only’ £140 from a 4070 and then it goes back in to this merry go round I’ve been having in my head for the past week about what’s the best card to buy haha.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

looking at £400 myself, 6800 is just slightly out of range at 480, that is where i want too be if it save bit more

 

[Author_25]

The LE (when it’s back in stock) is 370 which is a bit better. The performance is inconsistent, but £370 for a 16GB card with performance between a 3060-3070 isn’t too bad. The 750 is a much better buy though IMO, only 8GB and reduced specs but not a huge loss in performance and at £250 it’s very competitive.

6700/6750 are good cards, and I’ve been contemplating one. I particularly wanted the strix just for the aesthetics but at £440 you are ‘only’ £140 from a 4070 and then it goes back in to this merry go round I’ve been having in my head for the past week about what’s the best card to buy haha.

Wait for the 7800XT, that way have more options, and a reason to procrastinate more.

 

[Alt0153]

Wait for the 7800XT, that way have more options, and a reason to procrastinate more.

the phrase is **** or get off the pot

 

[Minusorange]

So does this mean the 4070 is more comparable to the xx60 series in previous generations but double the price ?

I'm not surprised and I did wonder from reviews whether it was fair to compare with previous xx70 series but at least there's no denying it now, I suspect they've intentionally done this with the numbers to obfuscate the price hikes and make them not seem like a rip off, but given the amount of videos I'm seeing recommended on youtube and everyone ******** on the 4070 it seems people are finally seeing through team green at least those in mid range budgets

 

[rare]

Wait for the 7800XT, that way have more options, and a reason to procrastinate more.

Aye that’s one conclusion I keep coming to.

The 7600x has a iGPU at least so all isn’t lost on that particular pc.

Be nice if AMD were a bit more vocal I just assume they want to sell as much of the existing 6000 stock as possible before announcing anything.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Aye that’s one conclusion I keep coming to.

The 7600x has a iGPU at least so all isn’t lost on that particular pc.

Be nice if AMD were a bit more vocal I just assume they want to sell as much of the existing 6000 stock as possible before announcing anything.

They can't believe their luck because of what Nvidia did. They no doubt had some issues with Navi 31,but they can price it higher than they expected. The same goes with the rest of their range where they can make relatively small discounts for most of it,and still look OK value. We should have had sub £500 RX6900XT/RX6950XT cards by now.

 

[Eddie99]

AMD is a bit better

How? They've pulled the same shenanigans with rebranding what should have been the $650 7800 XT to a $900 7900 XT, and they straight up lied about the performance gains. Even with the price cut to $800, the 7800 XT 7900 XT still offers worse overall value than the 4060 Ti 4070 Ti when factoring in DLSS, power consumption etc. AMD are worse.

 

[oweneades]

I kept telling people on here,that the RTX4070 is really an RTX3060. Its similar to what a 60 series cards is relative to the top,and has the same memory configuration. I also pointed out that the AD104 is a third tier die,just like 106 series dGPUs.

The RTX4060TI is going to either use a severely cut down AD104 or the fourth tier AD106. The RTX3050 used either a severely cut down third tier GA106 or a fourth tier GA107. They both have the same memory configuration. The RTX3050 also increased the £150 price point of the 50 series to above £200.

People were half-jokingly saying we would get 50 series dGPUs above £300. Well here we are. All because of FOMO,which you would expect kids to have.

AD106 if its anything like the mobile 4070 (which is using the fully enabled 4608 CUDA core variant of the die).

Just 25% though... Eurgh.

The 4070 is essentially a 4060 or Ti in anything but name.

At this rate even a A770 16GB is going to be better than a 4060 and cheaper, with more vram.

A750 and A770 have seen some decent performance uplifts over the course of their current existence so if they can keep up the momentum it will be very interesting where they end up. There is definitely some sort of driver overhead still causing performance issues (example being Hitman 3 Dartmoor vs Dubai where the A770 goes from being ~20% behind a 3060Ti to level with it) so if they can resolve that.

For context I have both the A750 and A770 (BiFrost) so have seen the performance uplifts myself.