RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

muon · 22 Apr 2023 at 13:33

lsg1r said:
To be fair this is another case of Nvidia (and the stock traders) lucking into the 'hype train' by adding in stuff that had no real use up until chat gpt went big..... first it was crypto, now it's AI although that might not last as long as they hope with a lot of big players looking at making their own custom processors.

If you look at all the other areas they seem to be going downwards or at best being flat.... and just because a company has a product that is popular in one specific corporate space (AI) doesn't mean that those companies actually like them either.... just look at the 'hate for MS' yet they basically rule the corporate pc space and are a huge player in servers and now AI.

My point is nvidia aren't crying right now, no matter how much people would like to believe they are hurting. Nvidia shareholders probably have a big smile on their face if they happen to see comments like those made in this thread.

eddyr · 22 Apr 2023 at 14:09

If I were a shareholder I would be somewhat concerned. Stumbling in (what was/is) a core revenue stream amidst rising negative customer reception and press would not make your typical shareholder smile (there will be questions next call, of that I am sure, especially given the spun PR story to date) but any of them will happily live with it given the performance of other products and revenue streams while the going is good.

Purgatory · 22 Apr 2023 at 15:35

Worth watching from this point and on.

Aegis · 22 Apr 2023 at 16:05

That MSI 'RTX 3060 Ti Super 3X' is hilarious - I guess they're stuck with a bunch of 3070 Suprim/X coolers they can't sell so they're released a 'special edition' 3060 Ti (which they can't call a 'Suprim' 'cause it's their premium branding) - they did a similar thing with 3090 Ti coolers which they stuck on 4090's and called them 'Suprim Classic'

Jay85 · 22 Apr 2023 at 16:14

SpellowHouse said:
Has anyone noticed the now HUGE disparity in prices between the UK and USA? I mean I tread on eggshells mentioning it, but even taking VAT, duty and shipping in to account you can be talking about the UK being 20-30% dearer on some graphics cards.

This is why im really tempted to pick up a gpu while im over in the US next week. I mean just looking at offers on electronics i want to buy, its about £100-150 cheaper! Apple watch Series 8 gps for example are on offer at best buy for $359 which works out around £290? Compared to uk costco is around £425!

Alt0153 · 22 Apr 2023 at 16:20

arent american prices displayed without tax as sales tax varies per state so its added at checkout so it would be more than the price you see anyway

Jay85 · 22 Apr 2023 at 16:25

Alt0153 said:
arent american prices displayed without tax as sales tax varies per state so its added at checkout so it would be more than the price you see anyway

Yeah it varies though depending on the product/retail section. Never fully understood it tbh, sometimes its included, sometimes its not, sometimes you pay it at check out. Last year when i went, i think most places it was included except outlets for clothes where it was added at check out. It's around 6% or less from memory.

muon · 22 Apr 2023 at 17:41

SpellowHouse said:
Has anyone noticed the now HUGE disparity in prices between the UK and USA? I mean I tread on eggshells mentioning it, but even taking VAT, duty and shipping in to account you can be talking about the UK being 20-30% dearer on some graphics cards.

The most expensive 4070 is £699. Which taking away VAT is $723. You are finding those same cards for 20-30% less in the USA? A quick check on the Aorus shows it as $699 in the USA.

Purgatory · 22 Apr 2023 at 18:35

muon said:
The most expensive 4070 is £699. Which taking away VAT is $723. You are finding those same cards for 20-30% less in the USA? A quick check on the Aorus shows it as $699 in the USA.

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937+4294821460+4294805060&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh&rpp=96

From highest priced to lowest 4070 and they all come with $100 Steam Gift card so basically $100 off the price.

Purgatory said:
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NVIDIA : Graphics Cards : Micro Center

Microcenter.com has the best deals on the latest Nvidia Graphics Cards & AMD Graphics Cards and more available at your local Micro Center Computer Store!

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At the USA microcenter they are giving a $100 steam gift card with every 40 series purchase. Basically $100 off any 40 series..

They are selling so well... NOT...

Nvidia really messed up this time and it's so clear to see everywhere in the world now.

MCFC_ANDY · 22 Apr 2023 at 19:23

even with $50 rebate its still **** tbf. 450 maybe if they want to sell a few

muon · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:27

Purgatory said:
https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937+4294821460+4294805060&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh&rpp=96

From highest priced to lowest 4070 and they all come with $100 Steam Gift card so basically $100 off the price.

That's not really a price difference is it. It's microcenter with a promotion and gift cards aren't cash. Who buys games from steam when its the most expensive way to buy games.

kalniel · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:27

chrcoluk said:
Value gets worse this gen the further down the stack you go.

Eh? Not sure what value has to do with the fact jay didn't bother to use the voltage curve to adjust voltage rather than the slider.

Purgatory · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:38

muon said:
That's not really a price difference is it. It's microcenter with a promotion and gift cards aren't cash. Who buys games from steam when its the most expensive way to buy games.

$100 for games is better than some bundled game that you may not want. Also the gift card once redeemed never expires on your account. It's a $100 for gamers to use and well pirates or people that don't want to use steam will just sell the gift card.. right ? Seriously your arguments are just terrible.

The 4070 basically in USA right now is $499 not your made up $723... basically $224 less than what you made up. Also remember some states have zero sales TAX too.. example Oregon so they pay $499 for the GPU really if they keep or sell the steam gift card. So $599 - $100 in value Gift card.

muon said:
The most expensive 4070 is £699. Which taking away VAT is $723. You are finding those same cards for 20-30% less in the USA? A quick check on the Aorus shows it as $699 in the USA.

muon · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:39

Purgatory said:
$100 for games is better than some bundled game that you may not want. Also the gift card once redeemed never expires on your account. It's a $100 for gamers to use and well pirates or people that don't want to use steam will just sell the gift card.. right ? Seriously your arguments are just terrible.

The 4070 basically in USA right now is $499 not your made up $723... basically $224 less than what you made up. Also remember some states have zero sales TAX too.. example Oregon so they pay $499 for the GPU really if they keep or sell the steam gift card. So $599 - $100 in value Gift card.

Comprehension in this forum is really going downhill.

Shall I walk you through my post?

RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

To be fair this is another case of Nvidia (and the stock traders) lucking into the 'hype train' by adding in stuff that had no real use up until chat gpt went big..... first it was crypto, now it's AI although that might not last as long as they hope with a lot of big players looking at making...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

You can find the RTX 4070 Aorus for $499?

Purgatory · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:41

muon said:
Comprehension in this forum is really going downhill.

Shall I walk you through my post?

RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

To be fair this is another case of Nvidia (and the stock traders) lucking into the 'hype train' by adding in stuff that had no real use up until chat gpt went big..... first it was crypto, now it's AI although that might not last as long as they hope with a lot of big players looking at making...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Not interested .. I gave you the facts the 4070 is being sold for $499 in USA currently..

Also I'm fed up of trolls on this forum and you are clearly trolling.

muon · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:43

Purgatory said:
Not interested .. I gave you the facts the 4070 is being sold for $499 in USA currently..

Also fed up of trolls on this forum and you are clearly trolling.

Mentioning something that has nothing to do with my post is trolling. If you bothered to read the post I had picked the most expensive carrd in the UK which is the Aorus at £699 (or $723 ex VAT) which is being sold in the US for $699.

Unless you can show me where that is $499 in the USA, it is you who are trolling, and not even reading and understanding people's posts.

Feel free to be fed up at your own misunderstanding or misconprehension.

Even treating the $100 gift card as cash (it isn't, you might get $70-$80 at best) that isn't 20-30% off the most expensive 4070 which the the Aorus 4070.

edit:

And feel free to do the same calculation with any other 4070, still not even close to 20-30%.

Also not using steam isn't pirating as you seem to be insinuating. There are cheaper games retailers than steam.

ASMB · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:52

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I could walk into a store in Missouri and buy the 6950xt refresh version of this card for 649.99 dollars ex-tax, roughly 715.00 dollars with state & city tax.

Google tells me that 649.99 dollars is 522.71 pounds.

So if a UK shop could sell at the same basic price as the USA store and add 20% VAT = £627.25 (would be the approximate price including vat)
Difference in price, 899.99-627.25=272.74, so I could buy the 6950 version and an intel arc 750 in the USA for less than the price of the 6900 version in the Uk

The same store has 3 different versions of the 6600, for 199 dollars. 199 = 160.03 pounds, + 20 vat = just over 192 pounds

smilertoo · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:59

The 4070 is basically a 3080 using nearly half the power.

muon · 22 Apr 2023 at 20:59

ASMB said:
AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Graphics Cards at Overclockers UK

Experience immersive 4k content and dominate the battlefield with AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT and next-generation RDNA 2.0 technology. The AMD Radeon RX 6000 series pushes all new boundaries offering DirectX Ray-tracing with hardware acceleration, dynamic effects, and tear-free, ultra-smooth HDR...

www.overclockers.co.uk

I could walk into a store in Missouri and buy the 6950xt refresh version of this card for 649.99 dollars ex-tax, roughly 715.00 dollars with state & city tax.

Google tells me that 649.99 dollars is 522.71 pounds.

So if a UK shop could sell at the same basic price as the USA store and add 20% VAT = £627.25 (would be the approximate price including)
Difference in price, 899.99-627.25=272.74, so I could buy the 6950 version and an intel arc 750 in the USA for less than the price of the 6900 version in the Uk

The same store has 3 different versions of the 6600, for 199 dollars. 199 = 160.03 pounds, + 20 vat = just over 192 pounds

I think picking single promotions which exist at particular stores is misleading. But on EoL cards I would agree that since all prices are well below MSRP to begin with, the variance will be a lot higher.

Also we do get one off promotions in the UK which end up being quite cheap but no one seems to talk about them, and go on to claim cards are more expensive in the USA (after removing taxes). We also get games promotions which aren't always at the same time as other parts of the world, which again skew things.

edit:

Also doing a quick check, the 6950 XT can be bought for <£620.

Purgatory · 22 Apr 2023 at 21:01

ASMB said:
AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Graphics Cards at Overclockers UK

Experience immersive 4k content and dominate the battlefield with AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT and next-generation RDNA 2.0 technology. The AMD Radeon RX 6000 series pushes all new boundaries offering DirectX Ray-tracing with hardware acceleration, dynamic effects, and tear-free, ultra-smooth HDR...

www.overclockers.co.uk

I could walk into a store in Missouri and buy the 6950xt refresh version of this card for 649.99 dollars ex-tax, roughly 715.00 dollars with state & city tax.

Google tells me that 649.99 dollars is 522.71 pounds.

So if a UK shop could sell at the same basic price as the USA store and add 20% VAT = £627.25 (would be the approximate price including vat)
Difference in price, 899.99-627.25=272.74, so I could buy the 6950 version and an intel arc 750 in the USA for less than the price of the 6900 version in the Uk

The same store has 3 different versions of the 6600, for 199 dollars. 199 = 160.03 pounds, + 20 vat = just over 192 pounds

Welcome to our world in UK and ... Don't go checking our energy and food prices as that will give you a heart attack.. Rip off UK.

UK peoples fault really... behave like sheep get slaughtered like sheep.. people have forgotten how to speak up when something clearly is not right, they think typing on social media will make a change .. LOL .. Check what France is doing about problems a lot less than ours here in UK.. Geeze if France had our issues in the UK the guillotines would be out again. :cry: