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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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PCMR - Power Consumption Measuring Race?
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Lets hope this is the beginning of price reductions across the board.
Let's wait on the 4060/4060 Ti and if no change in price to performance the 4000 series is a right off for the mid tier gamer.
Maybe AMD will still surprise us.
incoming £499 but you only get 8gb vram so have fun playing at 720pLet's wait on the 4060/4060 Ti and if no change in price to performance the 4000 series is a right off for the mid tier gamer.
Maybe AMD will still surprise us.
Interesting video on VRAM.
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VRAM - is 8GB or 12GB really enough to play Games in 2023?
Gaming graphics cards (GPUs) can have anywhere from 24GB of VRAM (think RTX 4090 and RX 7900 XTX) to as low as 1GB of VRAM (GT710), though how much is enough...
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Lol.... Like everything else just because a tech doesn't have traction with the masses doesn't mean it has no worth... I for one can attest to the value of 3d TV. The last time around it was great. I have to say my Sammy 50 in 3d is still going strong. Word to the wise the tech worked.. 3d movies although few & far between really did give some amazing results with the 3d glasses. Simply wonderful!
Agree, all tech innovations have worth, even if they fail or just do not take off, as they can often be a building block to new directions in technology, or just simple lessons to be learnt.
Agreed mine was great, still have the 3D Blu-rays as projectors do 3D too. Some films were much better in 3D others didn't need it.
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That must be it. Like every launch ever.
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More people not wanting to spend upwards of a grand on 4070 ti with the same memory configuration and have no interest in Radeon. Used 3080s are like £500 so that's out.
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What's interesting,is again last time he showed the RTX4070 was top of the chart,but doesn't seem to know what the AMD equivalents are:
Last week you had 595 RTX4070/RTX3070TI cards sold(cards around the £550~£650 mark),and apparently it was a great victory as the card was not sold for all of the week. Last week 690 RX6950XT/RX6900XT/RX6800XT/RX6800 cards were sold(similar price range). These are the cards grouped around the RTX4070 and RTX3070TI in price.
So the combined RTX4070/RTX3070TI numbers this week are 735 units after a whole week. The combined RX6950XT/RX6900XT/RX6800XT/RX6800 are 690,so AMD sales have not gone down which is weird during an Nvidia launch. Which is still not great as this is a new Nvidia card,and its been priced dropped already. Wasn't he saying the price was fine and prices wouldn't drop? I predict if the prices drop another £50 sales will get better,which is what I said last week when the price dropped.
But it gets even worse the RTX4070TI which is slightly cheaper than the RX7900XT is selling only 30 more units(and last week it sold less units),and the RX7900XTX is selling more than the RTX4080.
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I have a feeling DLSS 3 might be the cause of this current trend towards lesser value with the new cards.
Think about it, if Nvidia made the cheaper cards more cost effective than the top tier 4090 when you factor in the use of DLSS3, then people would just choose to get the cheaper card and just use DLSS3.
They need to sell 4090 units, so it makes sense to make it the value proposition rather than going down the stack.
Also could have something to do with the skimpy vram too.
Again, imagine a 4070 with 16Gb and DLSS3 for £600. That would be simply astonishing but would eat in to their sales of the 4080 and 4090 so they have no incentive to do that.
Think about it, if Nvidia made the cheaper cards more cost effective than the top tier 4090 when you factor in the use of DLSS3, then people would just choose to get the cheaper card and just use DLSS3.
They need to sell 4090 units, so it makes sense to make it the value proposition rather than going down the stack.
Also could have something to do with the skimpy vram too.
Again, imagine a 4070 with 16Gb and DLSS3 for £600. That would be simply astonishing but would eat in to their sales of the 4080 and 4090 so they have no incentive to do that.
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OFC it is - even AMD is using FSR to do the same. It means they can sell smaller/less powerful dies for more money. Then sell the next version of the tech,as needing the next generation for it to work optimally,so forcing people to upgrade.
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I think one of the factors with the odd stack is that they are trying to manipulate people into spending more by having it so the perceived offering at the point they'd normally buy looks a poor proposition but people think "if I'm spending this much it isn't so much more for the next tier".
Personally I think it silly because nVidia can have their cake and eat it - there isn't a shortage of people who'll pay a premium to get a "prestigious" card even if it is only a bit better than the ones below, so stuff like the 4090 will sell, as well as all the people who want better value for their money. They could have had a 16GB 4080 at £800, 20GB 4080ti at like £1200-1300 and pushed the 4090 up even to £2K and they'd have still sold a shed load of everything while keeping most of their customer happy(ier).
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