But based on some comments I am starting to think it ain't just Rollo's around here but RedRollo's also
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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But based on some comments I am starting to think it ain't just Rollo's around here but RedRollo's also
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But based on some comments I am starting to think it ain't just Rollo's around here but RedRollo's also
The Deja Vu is happening in the CPU section too. At this point I am not certain what people think they are gaining from tech companies ripping them off?
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I have some screenshots if you like. DLSS + High Textures > native + ultra textures > fsr + Ultra textures.
Sad story for the vram warriors, but it's true. Personal attacks against me may help you pat each other in the back but they won't change the facts.
Sad story for the vram warriors, but it's true. Personal attacks against me may help you pat each other in the back but they won't change the facts.
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That goes both ways.
True, its a balancing act but this generation Nvidia has gone to far on price, people expected increases but not the massive rises seen.
At present the 4070 is good card, not brilliant but good, with a poor price but its looking increasing likely that 12Gb VRAM will not last, as the minimum standard, as long as 8GB did and that 16GB for the long run is.
Most people buy GPU's to last years but its looking like 12GB will not do so, most likely due to most games companies looking at consoles at the same time as PC's, and sell more to Consoles, and they offer 16GB VRAM, so make games with that in mind.
As we have seen the PC optimisation is often poor so 8GB is not enough and in some cases 12GB is just enough.
Someone modded a 3070 to have 16GB VRAM, impressive uplift.
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Modded GeForce RTX 3070 with 16GB memory gets major 1% low FPS boost - VideoCardz.com
What if NVIDIA made RTX 3070 with 16GB? Paulo Gomes and his friends came up with a new idea to upgrade NVIDIA’s last-gen RTX 3070 GPU memory. RTX 3070 with 16GB VRAM, Source: Paulo Gomes Memory mods on graphics cards are nothing new these days. Modders and technicians have been doing this for...
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That is true for Hogwarts because the ultra settings are ****** and in many cases looks better with high settings (and a small number of ultra) than all ultra. It isn't true for many other games.
The 4070 does well as part of the 3000 stack but isn't great as a generation on generation improvement. As a 4060 at a moderately lower price it would have been a great card.
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Well I never understood what 12gb will not last even means. I played hogwarts on a 3060ti 3440x1440p with everything maxed out except textures (high) on ultra. As I've said before, it looks better than fsr with ultra textures, so I'd rather have the option of dlss then extra vram
Is there a game currently that you can't play on 8gb cards? I wanna try that's why I'm asking.
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True, but I mean there isn't an ideal option from AMD given how much they've increased the price as well - or haven't decrease it enough for older gen given they don't have 7xxx models in the lower tiers. Is bad from both sides.
4070 is about as fast as an 7900xt (a bit less, a bit above, depending per game/resolution as per TPU) in RT. DLSS up to performance is usable (in my experience), most of the time which can give about 2x the perf. improvement. Image quality degrades too much with FSR on Performance.
4070 is about as fast as a 6800xt (direct competitor), in rasterization, way faster in RT and better with DLSS (which means in games with RT + DLSS will be a whole lot faster compared to 6800xt), less power hungry, smaller (so will fit better in a case), but only 12GB vRAM which may or may not be problematic, so not really ideal.
At least with 16GB vRAM the 4070 would have been the card to go, given the current landscape, as you'd get the best from everything (minus the prices, obviously).
So, either go with AMD and hope that games use more than 12GB vRAM (so the 16GB purchase makes sense when all else is equal or worse than competition), or go with nVIDIA and hope that 12GB vRAM will be enough for your resolution or at least that using lower settings don't degrade the image too much - or like Bencher said, use DLSS when performance is needed and pray for the same or better image quality. Can't say I'm a fan of either of those choices.
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Have you tried Forespoken?
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Well hogwarts is one of the notorious vram hogging games. The other ones look mediocre to bad regardless of settings, like forspoken godfall etc.
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No but it looks terrible even on ultra. The ground textures from what I've seen look like a 10 year old game next to plague tale Requiem,and that one uses 5 to 6 gb in 4k Ultra. I might give a go to forspoken just for fun
I suppose what I mean the timeframe, on which you can play on High settings, on a new card, then medium and then low, over time, is getting narrower.
8GB lasted 10 years, I do not see 12GB lasting that.
Of course games can still be played at 8GB, but for how much longer?
20 quid extra gets you the 16gb a770 so 300 quid for a770 16gb is reason enough to buy it over the 6650xt
1. In the past Nvidia and Amd would stop producing old gen cards for weeks before the next gen came out, so that there were not many to have to reduce. As they over produced this time & had more stock left over they didn't want to reduce them as much and take a hit to margins.
2. Also Nvidia has been gradually reducing the prices from the mining boom scalper prices to MRSP in order to get gamers to buy before the cards actually fell to MRSP. Some gamers looked on a card which was £200 over MRSP as a "bargain" compared to the mining boom price. Its only just now that the gradual reduction in price on Nvidia cards is nearer to MRSP. I remember threads that would be something like, the 3070ti is down to £799 should I buy now for gaming? So if gamers were thinking about buying cards at £200 over MRSP why would Nvidia and the AIBs rush prices down?
3. Going forward I wonder how much Nvidia and AND are overpricing cards at launch with the view that they can cream extra profit from the early adopters and then reduce the price later on to get extra sales. If you look at AMD cpus they often come down to a much better price if you don't buy straight away, they could adopt this pricing strategy to gpus
4. Prices in the UK often seem to be higher than in the USA at the moment, with the brick and mortar store I use in St Louis, Missouri having 3 types of AMD 6600 at 200 dollars, which is a fair saving compared to the UK.
200 dollars = 160.49 pounds, plus 20% vat = £192.59 UK retail. A 6600 could be £200 which would be a better price than even the Nvidia 760 retailed at and a bargain relatively speaking. As I live between the UK and USA I might well buy my next gpu in the USA instead of the UK at these price differences
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Oh no its back.. must have breached the containment of the cpu section.
If only the factory could have put more on in the first place!
Someone modded a 3070 to have 16GB VRAM, impressive uplift.
Modded GeForce RTX 3070 with 16GB memory gets major 1% low FPS boost - VideoCardz.com
What if NVIDIA made RTX 3070 with 16GB? Paulo Gomes and his friends came up with a new idea to upgrade NVIDIA’s last-gen RTX 3070 GPU memory. RTX 3070 with 16GB VRAM, Source: Paulo Gomes Memory mods on graphics cards are nothing new these days. Modders and technicians have been doing this for...
If only the factory could have put more on in the first place!
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Just goes to show that they don't give you the best products they can make, only the ones they can make the most profit on. We all know this but it's nice to be reminded now and thenOh no its back.. must have breached the containment of the cpu section.
If only the factory could have put more on in the first place!
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