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This is starting to sound like the MSI QD-OLED monitor rumors, where everyone pegged it to be released at $800 US odd, then came the release, and it was nowhere near... 
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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im guessing they are place holder prices.
Multiple Vendors List Nvidia RTX 4070 Boards Early
New Nvidia RTX graphics cards are incoming.www.tomshardware.com
hmmm...
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Has he posted anything to back this up? So far we have all the review sites like df, computerbase, tpu showing that dlss and even fsr look better than native "overall"
Footage from the game,, native vs DLSS.
If the place holder prices are correct, for AIB cards, then might as well buy a 7900XT, better value, and term used very loosely.
I was having a chat with a friend last night about the 4070/Ti and he's tempted if the price is comfortably below 700 - although I'm not sure how likely that is.
He's currently running a 2070 and was looking at upgrading after a solid 5 years but I had completely forgotten that the 2070 launched in the UK at £549 - which seems pretty mad as well (especially considering the 3070 released at 469...).
Is there an FE model being released for the new 4070? Or is it only AIB cards?
He's currently running a 2070 and was looking at upgrading after a solid 5 years but I had completely forgotten that the 2070 launched in the UK at £549 - which seems pretty mad as well (especially considering the 3070 released at 469...).
Is there an FE model being released for the new 4070? Or is it only AIB cards?
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The 2070 didn't launch at £549, my launch day GB 2070 WF purchase price was £459.98 mrrp.
Correct if I'm wrong, but something people don't consider is that nvidia and amd buy their materials in bulk way before the release of their gpus. The previous gen that was before covid, which would explain the lower msrp. This time around they bought them during the full covid chip shortage, which could in some part explain the insane pricing from both.
So I said the same thing and he showed me a screengrab from his emails from when he bought it - direct from Nvidia. Did they change the price at all?
Well TSMC did increase the prices for their wafers by 25% when Nv and AMD were ordering but they are now struggling to sell all of their wafers so that is a cost that is coming down. Yes there was inflation in the gpu supply chain but there has also been deflation and price reductions on expensive memory modules as well to balance this. Nv sell the gpu and memory as a package to the vendors and Asus Msi etc then make the card. For everything other than the Fe Nv only have to think about the silicon and those costs have and are dropping every month , they are making bank.
Nv are trying to maximise profits and AMD are following suit and pricing high as well. This is price fixing from a duopoly and there is no real competition like there is in the cpu market. As a consumer there is not much we can really do other than not to buy and I am not in the market for a new gpu for a long time.
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The averages don't lie, the difference is 2% in raster (there is nothing further to argue about that).
And in RT the 4080 is 20-45% faster in games that make heavy use of RT.
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less power consumption and less heat output
DLSS which is superior to FSR
and FG
The only advantages of the 7900XTX are:
2% faster in raster
better control panel
less driver overhead in DX12 but it is the opposite in DX10/11 titles
At the end of the day both are bad value, but the 7900XTX has even worse value, I mean for only 10% more money the 4080 offers so much more compared to 7900XTX.
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We are discussing about the XTX (nobody ever mentions the XT)
The thing is last gen everyone was making insanely huge money except nvidia and amd, taking advantage of the msrp being much lower than the actual market value. Before anyone jumps in, yes nvidia also made huge profits, but they could easily make triple if they predicted the market prices. There was a leak somewhere of zotacs earnings for 2021, the numbers were staggering.
There was also a leak showing the price Nv sold the 3060 gpu and ram to the vendors, it left $5 for a pcb and cooler before they hit the MSRP. EVGA left the entire gpu market rather than do business with Nv , Apple would not even think about buying their products. Nv is not a company that is trying to make friends and/or be a decent business partner.
Just because Zotac profiteered from the pandemic and the mining idiocy does not mean other companies get a free pass or it is ok for us the consumers to be milked relentlessly.
Just because Zotac profiteered from the pandemic and the mining idiocy does not mean other companies get a free pass or it is ok for us the consumers to be milked relentlessly.
Yes and no, as Haz123 already covered it's a bit swings and roundabouts. While materiel and wafer costs have increased things like cost per die have decreased (smaller node = more chips per wafer) and the actual materiels that go into making a card are a tiny percentage of the overall costs.
I'd guestimate at worst you be looking at around a 10-15% increase in the BoM vs the roughly 30% increase that they're asking customers to pay.
On the Red team, wafer costs, BoM, margins are mostly a distraction as the fixed costs of releasing a card is so huge. Yes, I am sure they would love to have Nvidia's margins, and Wall Street loves margins, but profits are margins times volume. In other words, pricing so high (i.e. close as possible to Nvidia despite not having the brand loyalty) is a strategy to make very little profit.
BTW: I am not disputing the costs of 7/6/5/4nm wafers, masks etc. All have gone up hugely but fabless companies expecting near 70% margins is crazy.
BTW: I am not disputing the costs of 7/6/5/4nm wafers, masks etc. All have gone up hugely but fabless companies expecting near 70% margins is crazy.
That's the last time the FE cost more than aib cards, before they priced their own product cheaper than partners-why Evga cut the partnership with NV.So I said the same thing and he showed me a screengrab from his emails from when he bought it - direct from Nvidia. Did they change the price at all?
It was the first time I noticed Nv's manipulation of the market, launch with a limited amount of non OC models to hit msrp, they run out after 5 mins then all you can buy is oc models at higher than mssrp.
All set in place for launch day reviews so that Nv could say it's £449 and not the jacked up actual price.
You got nothing free on launch day too.
Next gen will be much cheaper if that is the case then. But let's be real. They are both just greedy buggers trying to protect their astronomical share prices from slumping down too much.
That was the FE TAX. 2080ti had a $100 extra FE TAX too from the so called AIB Nvidia set minimum price. FE was pretended to be something better and Nvidia milked people an extra $100 on the higher models.So I said the same thing and he showed me a screengrab from his emails from when he bought it - direct from Nvidia. Did they change the price at all?
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