This.
My limit would be £600.
AMD needs to release a Navi31 XL chip (cut down RX 7900 XT), with 16GB of VRAM.
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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My limit would be £600.
AMD needs to release a Navi31 XL chip (cut down RX 7900 XT), with 16GB of VRAM.
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Yep, I was all set to get a 6800XT at £600, but launch day came and they were £680 (here at least, didn't even realise AMD sold direct at the time), so I decided to wait for the early adopter tax to drop off. More than a year later, when the 3060ti FE came back in stock I picked on up and I'm still somewhat happy with that purchase, but there's been nothing tempting me since then (the closest being a 2nd hand 3090 recently)
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I think it's underwhelming and just what they needed to do to be somewhat compelling to those in need. Sadly, the message Ada is sending is 'go big or go home' (i.e. 4090, as a flagship, is kinda OK, everything else sucks value wise)
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Also people think Turing is bad right? The RTX2060 Super had half the shaders of the RTX2080TI.
Well,lets look at the RTX2060 Super:
65% of the performance of the RTX2080TI at qHD. So the RTX2060 Super and RTX3060TI at £350~£400 were roughly 2/3 the performance of the top dGPU at qHD.
The RTX4070 is 58% of the RTX4090 at £600. The true replacement for the RTX2060 Super and RTX3060TI is the RTX4070TI.
So don't complain again about pricing because you self justified literally a near doubling in price over Ampere for an RTX3060 class dGPU,or nearly 50% over the relatively better RTX2060 Super and RTX3060TI. Like all the people who moaned about Titan pricing or Turing V1 pricing and still bought it. Or the people who "had" to buy a dGPU at elevated pricing during the pandemic despite complaining. Now we see the result.
Also I can get £300ish after fees for my RTX3060TI too,yet I am not literally spending £300,just to get some extra VRAM and 40% extra performance:
My RTX3060TI cost me £369 UNDER two years ago. So I am paying nearly 60% more for 40% more performance. That means worse price/performance nearly two years later.
When the RTX3060TI came out it cost about the same over the RTX2060 Super and offered 40% extra performance:
The RTX2060 Super was $400 and the RTX3060TI was the same price. That means even looking at the US price,that is a 50% increase to get the same 40% improvement.
Well,lets look at the RTX2060 Super:
65% of the performance of the RTX2080TI at qHD. So the RTX2060 Super and RTX3060TI at £350~£400 were roughly 2/3 the performance of the top dGPU at qHD.
The RTX4070 is 58% of the RTX4090 at £600. The true replacement for the RTX2060 Super and RTX3060TI is the RTX4070TI.
Apart from the fact you kept moaning,and then caved in due to FOMO. So now you have just justified the entire Nvidia pricing model. That also justifies AMD also pricing stuff stupidly too. They will just include a bit more VRAM and price their equivalent "cheaper" but both will be a huge price increase in realterms.
So don't complain again about pricing because you self justified literally a near doubling in price over Ampere for an RTX3060 class dGPU,or nearly 50% over the relatively better RTX2060 Super and RTX3060TI. Like all the people who moaned about Titan pricing or Turing V1 pricing and still bought it. Or the people who "had" to buy a dGPU at elevated pricing during the pandemic despite complaining. Now we see the result.
Also I can get £300ish after fees for my RTX3060TI too,yet I am not literally spending £300,just to get some extra VRAM and 40% extra performance:
My RTX3060TI cost me £369 UNDER two years ago. So I am paying nearly 60% more for 40% more performance. That means worse price/performance nearly two years later.
When the RTX3060TI came out it cost about the same over the RTX2060 Super and offered 40% extra performance:
The RTX2060 Super was $400 and the RTX3060TI was the same price. That means even looking at the US price,that is a 50% increase to get the same 40% improvement.
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Also I think that nV have basically decided we have reached the limit of fps/$ and both sides seem to be colluding to keep it at that level, rather than any expectation of generational progress on those terms...
Another issue is that while exchange rates may seem like it's not stretching too far, UK vs US earnings power is running away from us (i.e. we're under-earning as a country for comparable roles, such that affordability in terms of days worked is falling off more for us than it is over the pond)
Another issue is that while exchange rates may seem like it's not stretching too far, UK vs US earnings power is running away from us (i.e. we're under-earning as a country for comparable roles, such that affordability in terms of days worked is falling off more for us than it is over the pond)
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I told people time and time again. PCMR are some of the weakest willed consumers out there. When it's quite clear companies are taking the mickey,they still give in. Nvidia is the worst culprit,but even AMD have twigged that it works. Just look at some of the stuff they pulled on the CPU/motherboard side in the last few years. Again people keep defending this,and what I thought would happen...happened.
Even Apple fans are not even putting up with the pricing now. Their PCs and smartphones sales are down. PCMR have less of a will than Apple fans!! A lot of other tech sales are down,and companies are trying to reduce prices. Even TSMC is struggling to fill it's orders,so I don't believe all the PR they are increasing prices this year....more likely they will have to cut prices to keep customers onboard. VRAM prices have dropped,as have many other components.
The issue is you can get deals on lots of other electronics due to cratering sales. Nvidia has over $5 billion of unsold inventory and its quite clear where it is going to...large OEMs as there are lots of deals for prebuilt systems(cheaper to buy them then build them yourself). But for end user component parts they seem to want to keep pricing high,because they figured out that enough will buy at any price,to offset those who won't.
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It is probably part of the reviewer guide,and reviewers still want to get review samples.
The above is from Paul's Hardware. This is the first 70 class series dGPU,outside the GTX770 rebadge,which could not get close to the previous high end.
No wonder it looks efficient,it is "slow" for a 70 class dGPU,which again confirms its more a 60/60TI class dGPU.
It get's even worse. At 4K the RTX4070 starts lose steam,and starts to get relatively worse against the RTX3080 and RX6800XT! DF said it:
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Review: A Solid But Unspectacular 1440p Upgrade
Nvidia's Ada Lovelace roll-out continues, this time with the $599 RTX 4070, with a claimed RTX 3080-level of performance. Rich takes a look at 1440p performa...
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Gamersnexus and TPU show the same:
NVIDIA RTX 4070 Founders Edition GPU Review & Benchmarks
Sponsor: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal paste (on Amazon - https://geni.us/JMVNtOE ) & Hydronaut for water cooling (Amazon - https://geni.us/Fsray )The NVI...
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The RTX4070 is more a 1080p and qHD dGPU.
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@CAT-THE-FIFTH I don't disagree, on any level! Tbh the reason I didn't grab a 3070 at launch was I saw the 8GB as a limiting factor, but as I said, I think £369 for a 3060ti FE was ok for what it was.
(for evidence, just look at the alternate rigs in my sig, or the fact my phone is still an s6 edge
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I won't move on until I feel like I'm getting decent value, but the main game I've played in the last few years has been ARK:SE, which tbh I'm still struggling a bit at 1440p (and was REALLY struggling at 1080 with my GTX1070). Fortunately KSP2/ARK2 has been/is a flop and ARK:SA will support DLSS.
(for evidence, just look at the alternate rigs in my sig, or the fact my phone is still an s6 edge
)I won't move on until I feel like I'm getting decent value, but the main game I've played in the last few years has been ARK:SE, which tbh I'm still struggling a bit at 1440p (and was REALLY struggling at 1080 with my GTX1070). Fortunately KSP2/ARK2 has been/is a flop and ARK:SA will support DLSS.
People who haven't got a clue.
Seriously though people should just say no to Nvidia as someone paying out £600 deserves at least a 4070ti for that money.
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@CAT-THE-FIFTH I don't disagree, on any level! Tbh the reason I didn't grab a 3070 at launch was I saw the 8GB as a limiting factor, but as I said, I think £369 for a 3060ti FE was ok for what it was.
(for evidence, just look at the alternate rigs in my sig, or the fact my phone is still an s6 edge
I won't move on until I feel like I'm getting decent value, but the main game I've played in the last few years has been ARK:SE, which tbh I'm still struggling a bit at 1440p (and was REALLY struggling at 1080 with my GTX1070). Fortunately KSP2/ARK2 has been/is a flop and ARK:SA will support DLSS.
I felt exactly the same. If the RTX3070 was a 12GB card I might have considered it,and sadly the RX6700XT was overpriced in the UK. The RTX3060TI was about the limit I felt an 8GB VRAM card was worth.
People won't and make some weird justification to get one. As I showed the RTX4070TI performance relative to the high end is around the same or slightly better compared to the RTX2060 Super/RTX3060TI were. So even £580 for an RTX4070TI is still 60% more than an RTX3060TI,but you are getting 75% more performance,ie,a 10% improvement in price/performance.
So going by that pricing metric,ie,a 10% improvement in price/performance over the RTX3060TI,would mean the RTX4070 12GB would be around £470.
There are 33 different versions of the RTX 4070 up for sale and your saying only 5 of them are going to be a £589, wonder what the highest is going to be up for.
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I don't think others will be much higher, as the 'base' oem models are 1x8pin (+75w slot), for a nominal 225w...some AIB may push 240, but can't see much more and/or won't scale well
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Because we all know that for the initial period there will be "RRP" cards,and as time progresses the FE drops will get less,and so will the "RRP" cards.
But don't worry you will save some power!
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