RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

[Grim5]

The way AMD does RT is tied to it's shader count, and the physical shader count hasn't really increased this generation. However, there is some weird dual issue functionality which makes it appear as a much larger shader increase.

Amd used to have a single FP32 computational unit in each core. For rdna3 they changed it and now each core has two fp32 units like Nvidia. It's low hanging fruit; doing this improves gaming performance but it's quite minor. AMD still has more fruit to pick - currently their FP32 units can't compute Rasterisation and Ray Tracing at the same time, it's one or the other and that can be fixed

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Amd used to have a single FP32 computational unit in each core. For rdna3 they changed it and now each core has two fp32 units like Nvidia. It's low hanging fruit; doing this improves gaming performance but it's quite minor. AMD still has more fruit to pick - currently their FP32 units can't compute Rasterisation and Ray Tracing at the same time, it's one or the other and that can be fixed

It does appear RNDA3 shaders are probably not massively bigger than RDNA2 ones,and might be denser. Navi 33,which is made on a slightly denser 6NM process,is significantly smaller than Navi 23:

AMD Navi 33 GPU Specs

2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Navi 23 GPU Specs

2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

Navi 33 is nearly 14% smaller than Navi 23,despite have 20% more transistors. Direct comparisons of both should actually give a good insight into the uarch improvements with RDNA3.

TSMC 6NM is around 18% denser at best over TSMC 7NM,so the die size reduction is not just down the process node used:

TSMC Reveals 6 nm Process Technology: 7 nm with Higher Transistor Density

www.anandtech.com

 

[TNA]

lol Nvidia drop prices because of AMD, I don't think so.

Why would they drop prices at all when vocal people that are constantly whinging about price such as yourself are happy paying £600 for a 4060, I mean 4070?

 

[SpellowHouse]

My guess on this is that (unfortunately) the 4070 will prove to be reasonably popular. Mainly because it's affordable and the NVIDIA addicts will buy anything that's affordable. You can see them already trying to justify buying something less than they really want.

People need willpower to force NVIDIA to drop it's prices, and time and time again NVIDIA buyers have shown they haven't got any.

Including me! But seriously, this time the 4070 and 4070ti really annoy me the way NVIDIA have crippled them with the limited bus so I won't be buying one!

 

[Troezar]

My guess on this is that (unfortunately) the 4070 will prove to be reasonably popular. Mainly bacause it's affordable and the NVIDIA addicts will buy anything that's affordable. You can see them already trying to justify buying something less than they really want.

Spot on, most people won't have a clue about what we are discussing here. They will have a price in their head and buy whatever is available at that price.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I would replace affordable with entry price, as until the 4050 trickles out there is nothing cheaper in the line up. 4060 will get near to affordable but as others have said the tiers were stepped up a price bracket this gen and people are still buying them.

 

[Jono8]

My guess on this is that (unfortunately) the 4070 will prove to be reasonably popular. Mainly because it's affordable and the NVIDIA addicts will buy anything that's affordable. You can see them already trying to justify buying something less than they really want.

People need willpower to force NVIDIA to drop it's prices, and time and time again NVIDIA buyers have shown they haven't got any.

Including me! But seriously, this time the 4070 and 4070ti really annoy me the way NVIDIA have crippled them with the limited bus so I won't be buying one!

But is it really worth it for those that already have anything from a 3070 to a 3080? I mean it's ~15% faster than a 3070Ti, which has been available at around this price or less, for ages.

It just really isnt worth getting excited about for any section of the market i don't think.

 

[Aegis]

But is it really worth it for those that already have anything from a 3070 to a 3080? I mean it's ~15% faster than a 3070Ti, which has been available at around this price or less, for ages.

It just really isnt worth getting excited about for any section of the market i don't think.

Seeing the 4070 struggling at 4k vs the 3080 is just embarrassing - the 3070 at least matched the 2080Ti most of the time. The real loser this gen is going to be the 4060/Ti - the 3060 Ti was such a great card at its MSRP (if you could get one) - VRAM limitations notwithstanding.

 

[gpuerrilla]

But is it really worth it for those that already have anything from a 3070 to a 3080? I mean it's ~15% faster than a 3070Ti, which has been available at around this price or less, for ages.

It just really isnt worth getting excited about for any section of the market i don't think.

Absolutely not. This is the issue because even if your intrigued by FG or slightly better RT, the price they want especially lower down the stack you go isn't better than ampere. So the 3080 is very close to a 4070, so close its not worth the switch. Im not sure what the AIB flavours are selling at but £590 for its base msrp is really close to the model above was last gen.

 

[SpudMaster]

But is it really worth it for those that already have anything from a 3070 to a 3080? I mean it's ~15% faster than a 3070Ti, which has been available at around this price or less, for ages.

It just really isnt worth getting excited about for any section of the market i don't think.

Nots not worth it even if you don't have those cards imo. You can buy 6800XT's for quite a bit less and 6950XT's for £640. Both of these have more vram and offer better performance in pretty much all situations bar RT. And thats current pricing, the release of the 4070 could make them drop further. The only thing the 4070 has going for it is is power draw but then thats only as low as it is because the card is so cut down!

 

[keyser van someone]

In around a year they will put out new Ti versions which will bump up the price again - no free lunch from nvidia. Although not sure what they will call the 4070 Ti when they do!

I guess 4070 is 'the most appealing' or 'the least repugnant' option for me. There aren't actually any games I can't already play so I'll leave it and see where we land with Starfield performance.

4K OLED is gonna be expensive, like ~£2500 for the monitor and then £1200 for a GPU.. so I think I might put that idea on the back burner.

 

[Calin Banc]

But is it really worth it for those that already have anything from a 3070 to a 3080? I mean it's ~15% faster than a 3070Ti, which has been available at around this price or less, for ages.

It just really isnt worth getting excited about for any section of the market i don't think.

Is "worth" it from older cards since there aren't many choices.

For instance, compared to 2080, is about twice as fast in RT in 1080p, 50% more vram and about the same power consumption for about the same price 2080 was 4 years ago.

Now that's a good PR image to sell, ignoring that is actually a rather low end part vs a rather high end part back in the day. Most won't listen to it or care. And something similar is happening with AMD.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Int

Seeing the 4070 struggling at 4k vs the 3080 is just embarrassing - the 3070 at least matched the 2080Ti most of the time. The real loser this gen is going to be the 4060/Ti - the 3060 Ti was such a great card at its MSRP (if you could get one) - VRAM limitations notwithstanding.

This is the real killer for me. The price of these cards means I want to keep them for a long time, and that may mean they have to deal with monitor upgrades. NVIDIA seem to be building in obsolescence and performance limits. They are saying that if you buy a 4K monitor you must buy a 4080 or 4090 rather than a 4070 or 4070ti. Not only that, but the memory you are supplied with is only enough right now and will be useless in two years time. That's very unattractive to me. Alas the average buyer is not going to realise this and will just buy what "seems" like a good deal.

 

[uscool]

knew I would be sticking with the 3080 after seeing the prices of the 4080 / 7900xtx only cards I would jump to for the uplift, 7900xt maybe could have tempted me at £700, I play at 1440p so I'll survive and see what kind of gains next gens bring at the £600-£700 range

 

[Aegis]

Scalping aside, the 3060 Ti and 3080 were seen as great value cards last gen - this gen the only 'good' (?) value Nvidia card is *still* the 4090 - everything else is a mix of being overpriced and/or underspecced.

 

[Ayahuasca]

4K OLED is gonna be expensive, like ~£2500

Errr, what? Maybe an ASUS once full of marketing terms but you can already get a good 4k OLED monitor for around £1k.

 

[keyser van someone]

Errr, what? Maybe an ASUS once full of marketing terms but you can already get a good 4k OLED monitor for around £1k.

32" OLED - panels are on the way, the 27" 1440p ones cost £1100 so get ready for the 4K version!

 

[Ayahuasca]

32" OLED - panels are on the way, the 27" 1440p ones cost £1100 so get ready for the 4K version!

Yeah, but they won't be £2500 unless you want the clown tax models.

 

[TNA]

But is it really worth it for those that already have anything from a 3070 to a 3080? I mean it's ~15% faster than a 3070Ti, which has been available at around this price or less, for ages.

It just really isnt worth getting excited about for any section of the market i don't think.

DLSS 3. Nuf said

 

[Rroff]

Scalping aside, the 3060 Ti and 3080 were seen as great value cards last gen - this gen the only 'good' (?) value Nvidia card is *still* the 4090 - everything else is a mix of being overpriced and/or underspecced.

Sadly this line up looks like it has been designed cynically to manipulate people into opening their wallet for the next model up mixed with leaving gaps for future products which can manipulate the price points - shame on nVidia and anyone involved. You don't need to resort to this kind of BS to be profitable.