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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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I don't usually pay MRSP for a gpu anyway, I have never had an issue with getting a gpu near or at end of life for cheaper than MRSP. I wonder how much AMD and Nvidia are now employing a tactic of pricing products high on launch with a view to reducing the price later on as sales slow. Certainly look at how the prices of a Ryzen cpu go down from their initial launch. I don't need the performance of a 4070 or higher and often skip a generation or 2 before I get a replacement.
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I bought an Asus Strix 970 down from £300 to £180 when it went EOL. Skipped the next generation, 1000 series. 1080 price was around £600.
Sold my 970 for £100 and so cost of ownership was £80. I replaced it with a new 2060 12GB at £270. So by skipping a generation I saved £330 quid against the previous gen 80 series card, and got slightly better performance, more vram, also better features such as dlss and full direct 12 support. The 2060 has no problem with games at 1080p and with many games now having dlss or fsr I haven't had any issues with 1440p either.

So I can quite happily game at £270, these higher prices are for those who insist on the best frames at 4k, budget gaming is still alive.
(I do have a 6800, which I rarely use, and was afforded by the mining craze. I could sell a Vega 56 which I bought EOL at £235 to pay for a 3060tiFE which I could then trade for 6800)

I suspect that most gamers could happily play at 1080p or 1440p with fsr on a £380 6700xt, which is already a nice reduction from launch MRSP given the current exchange rate
 
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I think anything over £600 is just a stupid amount to pay for a graphics card. It doesn't resemble consumer pricing for any other typical components.

>£1000 is just on another level, but if you can easily afford it then why not? But the profits will be mega at this price...

I'm guilty too as I bought a used RTX 3080 for £620 (had to return it anyway). The smart thing would've been to stick with an RTX 3070.

It's nothing new, and to me doesn't seem any worse than what we saw with the last couple of Nvidia generations, notably when they introduced ray tracing hardware.

When the RTX 2080 TI came out in September 2018 priced at ~£1,200 people bought it anyway, despite unimpressive RT performance, which was meant to be the selling point of the series. It was well received by tech reviewers despite the price.

The baseline for me was my brother's GTX 1080, which cost £440. This seemed like the limit of what was sensible to pay... You got more performance in games by investing in the GPU than a high end CPU. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of inflation since then. £440 in 2016 is worth about £590-£600 today.

All the extra features that have been added since then don't make up for the increasing product tiers creating ever more market segmentation (more on the Nvidia side).

The RTX 3070 TI was a good example of this. Also, the RTX 3060 12GB. The RTX 2060 12GB released in December 2021, lol. It could be argued that Nvidia was doing the same thing with the 'Super' cards in the RTX 2000 series.
 
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g67575 said:
Because £750 for a RTX 4070 is just not credible.

People will just buy a RTX 3080 instead if they do that.
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It may not be credible but I can see it happening with Nvidias current track record. 4080's arent credible at £1200+ but it happened. Neither are 4070TI's at £900 but again it happened. If the rumoured specs are to believed the 4070 is going to be about 15% slower than the TI so if thats the case then I don't see Nvidia pricing it much less that £750.

The whole gpu market has lost the plot :(
 
I'm no business exec but even if Nvidia are happy with the sales of these cards at these prices all the bad feelings towards them can't be good for the company in the long run. Since the release of the 4000 series there's been nothing but negative talk about them. Maybe they don't care, maybe they don't need to care.
 
SpudMaster said:
It may not be credible but I can see it happening with Nvidias current track record. 4080's arent credible at £1200+ but it happened. Neither are 4070TI's at £900 but again it happened. If the rumoured specs are to believed the 4070 is going to be about 15% slower than the TI so if thats the case then I don't see Nvidia pricing it much less that £750.

The whole gpu market has lost the plot :(
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Maybe £750 for the super duper premium OC version, that sucks because it's priced so closely to the card a teir above.
 
g67575 said:
Maybe £750 for the super duper premium OC version, that sucks because it's priced so closely to the card a teir above.
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It does suck and I hope the rumour is wrong but £750 is the MSRP according to the rumour. Nvidia as set two review dates to try and get AIBs to stick to the MSRP
 
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ASMB said:
I don't usually pay MRSP for a gpu anyway, I have never had an issue with getting a gpu near or at end of life for cheaper than MRSP. I wonder how much AMD and Nvidia are now employing a tactic of pricing products high on launch with a view to reducing the price later on as sales slow. Certainly look at how the prices of a Ryzen cpu go down from their initial launch. I don't need the performance of a 4070 or higher and often skip a generation or 2 before I get a replacement.
e.g.
I bought an Asus Strix 970 down from £300 to £180 when it went EOL. Skipped the next generation, 1000 series. 1080 price was around £600.
Sold my 970 for £100 and so cost of ownership was £80. I replaced it with a new 2060 12GB at £270. So by skipping a generation I saved £330 quid against the previous gen 80 series card, and got slightly better performance, more vram, also better features such as dlss and full direct 12 support. The 2060 has no problem with games at 1080p and with many games now having dlss or fsr I haven't had any issues with 1440p either.

So I can quite happily game at £270, these higher prices are for those who insist on the best frames at 4k, budget gaming is still alive.
(I do have a 6800, which I rarely use, and was afforded by the mining craze. I could sell a Vega 56 which I bought EOL at £235 to pay for a 3060tiFE which I could then trade for 6800)

I suspect that most gamers could happily play at 1080p or 1440p with fsr on a £380 6700xt, which is already a nice reduction from launch MRSP given the current exchange rate
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Basically this, when 5000 series hit im sure most of us should be able to pick up 4090's for sub 800/700£ on here quite easily just like how 3090's can be had on here now for around 600/700 and a lot with warranty still too.
 
SpudMaster said:
It may not be credible but I can see it happening with Nvidias current track record. 4080's arent credible at £1200+ but it happened. Neither are 4070TI's at £900 but again it happened. If the rumoured specs are to believed the 4070 is going to be about 15% slower than the TI so if thats the case then I don't see Nvidia pricing it much less that £750.

The whole gpu market has lost the plot :(
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I’m not trying to defend Nvidia or their ridiculous pricing but MSRP for the 4070ti is £799 and not 900.
You can buy them right now here on ocuk for £830 so hopefully the price of 4070 will be less than what the rumour says.
Obviously it will still be horribly overpriced anyway.
 
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Jay85 said:
Basically this, when 5000 series hit im sure most of us should be able to pick up 4090's for sub 800/700£ on here quite easily just like how 3090's can be had on here now for around 600/700 and a lot with warranty still too.
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Depends if the 5080 is £1200 and only matches a 4090.
 
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There is no way I would pay that for a 4070.

I honestly don't know where the future of PC gaming is. NVIDIA has moved prices to a place I'm not comfortable in. They show all signs of becoming worse not better. I don't know any more when I will buy another gpu. I guess I have pretty well accepted that it won't be this generation, it may be "never".

All I can say is that if AMD wasn't so "lets do what NVIDIA does" then I would have bought one of theirs. But they aren't helping at all. My only hope now is that intel will eventually come out with some decent competition for team greed and team green eyes.
 
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Doop! said:
I'm no business exec but even if Nvidia are happy with the sales of these cards at these prices all the bad feelings towards them can't be good for the company in the long run. Since the release of the 4000 series there's been nothing but negative talk about them. Maybe they don't care, maybe they don't need to care.
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Spot on. They are building more and more animosity in their customer base. It's a very dangerous thing to do.
 
z10m said:
I’m not trying to defend Nvidia or their ridiculous pricing but MSRP for the 4070ti is £799 and not 900.
You can buy them right now here on ocuk for £830 so hopefully the price of 4070 will be less than what the rumour says.
Obviously it will still be horribly overpriced anyway.
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Yeah your right, I think £900 was the original MSRP for the 4080 12GB. How kind of Nvidia to lower it for the 4070TI :p
 
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Next we will be hearing that Navi32 is cancelled because AMD doesn't feel like it :cry:

They generally prefer Nvidia to make their move first...
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Spot on. They are building more and more animosity in their customer base. It's a very dangerous thing to do.
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No it ain't. Not for Nvidia. I still remember the outrage people had about their GTX 970's vram issue. What did they do, get a refund, add a lot more on top and bought a 980. Yep, that will teach them! :cry:
 
TNA said:
No it ain't. Not for Nvidia. I still remember the outrage people had about their GTX 970's vram issue. What did they do, get a refund, add a lot more on top and bought a 980. Yep, that will teach them! :cry:
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Heck just look at Tommy, perfect example, cries about Nvidia and how they are evil for skimping on vram and how this awful practice by Nvidia is causing him issues in all these games yet he keeps buying green :p :D
 
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