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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Eddie99 said:
I'm not excusing the **** prices, just pointing out that the GBP price is not a fair comparison. It's like saying the price increase is 89% because you bought them with Bitcoin, it's just not accurate because the price is set in USD.
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So in your world even if it was "only" 50% then is the performance increase any better? Oh wait it isn't - you are just argueing over semantics. If this is the trajectory we followed since the late 90s,we would have never gotten affordable dGPUs,let alone CPUs.

People just throw bones at these companies,trying to see some "good" when they couldn't give a rats arse about anyone. It's the same with people defending AMD with some of its useless moves in the last few years. Moan at Intel for XYZ,but AMD does the same XYZ but that is OK,for XYZ reasons. People are in denial these companies act only in their own interests,and unless consumers do so for themselves they are just a passive consumer and deserve what they get.

This is not what PCMR was 20+ years ago. People acted in their own interests. People overclocked,modded,etc to increase value for themselves despite companies not wanting to support it. It seems we are full of passive consumers who are being sold a dream and a lifestyle now.
 
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Joxeon said:
I think Nvidia has learned this gen that they can overcharge those buying the halo card but overcharging everyone else leads to poor sales which is bound to be a big hit to the financials as the cheaper cards make more revenue.
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4090 as halo card so well due to its current position in the market. At 2000 or more MSRP, there will be less buyers.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So in your world even if it was "only" 50% then is the performance increase any better? Oh wait it isn't - you are just argueing over semantics. If this is the trajectory we followed since the late 90s,we would have never gotten affordable dGPUs,let alone CPUs.

People just throw bones at these companies,trying to see some "good" when they couldn't give a rats arse about anyone,and wouldn't even pee on you even if you were on fire. If they don't care,why should I? I don't exist to prop them up.

It's the same with people defending AMD with some of its useless moves in the last few years. Moan at Intel for XYZ,but AMD does the same XYZ but that is OK,for XYZ reasons. People are in denial these companies act only in their own interests,and unless consumers do so for themselves you are just a passive consumer and deserve what you get.

This is not what PCMR was 20+ years ago. People acted in their own interests. We overclocked,modded,etc to increase value for ourselves despite companies not wanting to support it. It seems we are full of passive consumers who are being sold a dream and a lifestyle now,as predicted decades ago! :cry:
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I'm not trying to throw them a bone or see some good, just pointing out the inaccuracies in your comparison. Rounding down 44% to 40% and switching to a currency that is 10% more expensive is a big difference.
 
Calin Banc said:
4090 as halo card so well due to its current position in the market. At 2000 or more MSRP, there will be less buyers.
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You think? I have a feeling they will give a try with the RTX4090TI or the RTX5090. Considering how passive gamers are it might work.

Now think with all the people making the case for the 60%....oops sorry the 50% price increase,to get a 24% to 44% performance jump(and maybe the odd game is over 50% maybe?) with the RTX4070.

So add that to the next generation. So the RTX5070 is 45% faster than the RTX4070,but 60%...ooops sorry I meant 50% more if we are on holiday in the US.

So that works out,at £880~£940 for RTX4080 level performance. An amazing 20% improvement in performance over the £800 RTX4070TI 12GB with 16GB of VRAM.

But since we are all about near linear price/performance,that would place a 50% faster RTX5090 at $2400. Then if we continue to the RTX6070. We finally get a card faster than the RTX4090 for around £1300~£1400 in 4~5 years? :cry:
 
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Eddie99 said:
Also your maths is off, the fake MSRP of the 3060 Ti was $399 so the 4070 is 50% more expensive not 60%.
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The 3060ti was faster relative to the current and previous gen cards it was up against though.

last gen a 4070 would have been sat between a 3060 and 3060ti in performance terms so a price base of 365 would be more accurate.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
This is not what PCMR was 20+ years ago. People acted in their own interests. People overclocked,modded,etc to increase value for themselves despite companies not wanting to support it. It seems we are full of passive consumers who are being sold a dream and a lifestyle now.
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I think it could be my nostalgic brain but I'm pretty sure the word "gaming" was not used back then on any products. Ever since the bombardment of "gaming" everywhere from chairs to keyboards/mice the market has been laughing at how easy it is to badge something and try for an extra margin!

Components right now come pre-clocked with "boost" or are released within an inch of scrutiny at their respective segmented levels and tiered off, so whilst its still possible the whole overclocking thing fell aside some time ago too.
 
I kind of think AMD deserves some credit for the simplicity of their line-ups. It's generally fairly predictable what you are going to get as a result.

I think the RX 7900 XT will fall to around £700, and the Navi31 card below it (still speculation at this point), could be sold for ~£600.

Navi32 will be the sub £500 more affordable segment, likely priced similarly to Navi22.

Navi33 is built on 6nm, so I don't think it will be much of an improvement vs Navi 23, nor cheaper.
 
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Purgatory said:
That's what we pay in UK so it's right 60% also USA price does not include state sales taxes. So even in USA it is not 50% increase after sales taxes in states that pay it.
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It seemed like the point of the comparison was to show how greedy Nvidia are, if that's the case then the GBP price is irrelevant.
 
The 4060 8GB is going to be a right **** show launch. Honestly think Nvidia are happy taking the L with ADA after having so much crypto ampere inventory left over to sell. Nvidia will be back on form with the next gen, 4090 performance for $699.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
The 4060 8GB is going to be a right **** show launch. Honestly think Nvidia are happy taking the L with ADA after having so much crypto ampere inventory left over to sell. Nvidia will be back on form with the next gen, 4090 performance for $699.
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The trouble is that's 2 years away. I think for me PC gaming is a write off for now. I'm pretty happy with how the PS5 and Series X perform. I think they need to correct course by significantly lowering prices this gen but sadly I think they're dug in too deep.
 
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