That was kind of my point.
Russell Brand.
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That was kind of my point.
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We need people in suits with degrees with data and evidence. Not some ex celebrity drug addict who thinks he knows what he is talking about because he is been in rehab and been around the drug culture.
Replace him with a scientists and academics and we may have a chance of decriminalization, when he gets up there he takes away from the whole effort and it just becomes about his show off personality.
Why is he qualified? there are many people who have been to rehab and so on, why does he get to sit on the panel? cause he is a celeb? what sort of bs is that?
Without stating the obvious when the experts in suits, from academia, said the same thing the government gave them the boot.
Maybe we need some like Brand to court popular opinion because irrespective of their beliefs we know politicians will bow to the popular whim when it directly impacts their chance of re-election over any desire or need to do the right thing.
Maybe we need some like Brand to court popular opinion because irrespective of their beliefs we know politicians will bow to the popular whim when it directly impacts their chance of re-election over any desire or need to do the right thing.
but thats his exact point, i think. Those people in suits with degrees always get those degrees from the same institutions that are designed to keep the status quo and support all of the things that he ( and seemingly a large part of the UK) is suffering from as a result.
well thats what i gathered from it anyway.
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Did they need a stupid incoherent arrogant celeb in the US to legalize cannabis? No, they just showed the evidence and the data to support their case.
Also his interview with Paxman. Facepalm. Paxman ripped him a new one.
All Brand did was say he disagreed with everything or everything was wrong. Without any sort of reasoning or resolution.
Yes, things aren't perfect (voting system/ financial system) doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
All Brand did was say he disagreed with everything or everything was wrong. Without any sort of reasoning or resolution.
Yes, things aren't perfect (voting system/ financial system) doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
well, thats not strictly true ( im not sticking up for the guy or his ideas ). They knew they could make money from other peoples misery and thats not much better, just a cold analytical way of doing business like you propose.
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There was a tremendous effort in the US by cannabis lobby and medical cannabis industry to convince legislators to legalize cannabis. We have nothing like that in the UK, all we have is some arrogant celeb with his chest hair out saying "aye i used to be in rehab and 11 years clean and we need to treat it like a medical problem hahah yea read my book".
i think i see your point, your saying were stuck in a certain mindset as a nation about certain ideas and there seems to be no rational thought just puppeteering ?
from what i can gather, the EU does rational thought ( especially the germans ) and as much as they have a lot right, but the EU has increased legislation and rules beyond belief. Sometimes it pays to have passion rather than just data. Data can be manipulated mostly in any way you see fit as its just that .. data.
also with regards to legalizing cannabis thats a different topic altogether imo.
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I am saying that I don't think his well intentioned efforts towards decriminalization help.
No, no and thrice no! There's a reason we have pension triple locks, untouchable winter fuel allowances, pensioner bonds, policies to boost house prices all on top of other pensioner-friendly policies. It's because pensioners are much, much more likely to vote than younger people. So is Brand's solution to this:
A. Try and engage younger people in politics such that they vote in greater numbers and stop getting shafted by politicians pandering to the retired pensioner generation that is now on average wealthier than the younger WORKING generation.
B. Encourage them to forfeit their voting rights which have been hard fought for over hundreds of years in order to somehow "stick it to the man", but in reality ensure that the younger generation become even more disenfranchised.
What an utter, utter plonker the man is.
again, Its a good topic but then again drug discussion is probably against the tos. he may not help the 'cause' but then again perhaps he is an mis-information plant and he is playing everyone like a fiddle creating an anti-culture figure which people are distracted by.
btw, i don't think legalizing cannabis could work in the UK anyway.
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In the past I didn't mind Russell Brand, I actually enjoyed his comedy. However, now he has turned himself into some sort of "pound shop" revolutionary I have moved more towards thinking he is a bit of an idiot.
He probably, or definitely isn't an idiot. But the few times I have seen him on TV or whatever recently he seems to lack any substance, it's all well and good him having a platform to express his opinions on the way the country or world is run, however I don't know what his solution is, correct me if I am wrong but what is his alternative? He definitely dishes out what is wrong with the way some things are now but where is the answer that he works towards? I don't know, maybe I missed that bit.
On Question Time recently he seemed a bit out his depth, trying to attack Nigel Farage didn't come off well because he didn't explain himself of put his neck on the line and say this is what I would do If I was in a position to change things.
He probably, or definitely isn't an idiot. But the few times I have seen him on TV or whatever recently he seems to lack any substance, it's all well and good him having a platform to express his opinions on the way the country or world is run, however I don't know what his solution is, correct me if I am wrong but what is his alternative? He definitely dishes out what is wrong with the way some things are now but where is the answer that he works towards? I don't know, maybe I missed that bit.
On Question Time recently he seemed a bit out his depth, trying to attack Nigel Farage didn't come off well because he didn't explain himself of put his neck on the line and say this is what I would do If I was in a position to change things.
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ITT lots of butt hurt hating going on.
LOL
Just lol....raking in all that money from the drugs charity conferences etc he attends.... he's rolling in dat dough dawg! making it rain.
At least there is one thing I can say, he's contributing more to the world at least in awareness and change plus trying to supporting people who need it than most of you will ever do even if you had 10 lifetimes to try and match it.
Personally I don't care what he is like as a person or his comedy, I don't even watch any of it but I do now watch his trews videos occasionally. Whilst yes you can find this information yourself most people do not so he is at least using his publicity to bring issues to the front of peoples minds. You don't see many celebrities who do this.
For that he definitely has my support.
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His point seems to be that the 'position' is already rigged. i.e the political establishment and the deeply far reaching systems around it ( otherwise known as society ) are too entrenched to actually change things around. Hence he doesn't advocate voting.
however.. In essence, he believes in anarchy and from that a rising new order. He could be trying to mobilize the masses of disenfranchised youth into decent for his own gains? He stands to lose nothing whilst those who follow him stand to lose everything even if that everything isn't very much.
however.. In essence, he believes in anarchy and from that a rising new order. He could be trying to mobilize the masses of disenfranchised youth into decent for his own gains? He stands to lose nothing whilst those who follow him stand to lose everything even if that everything isn't very much.
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Great post. I actually quite like Brand, but his soiree into politics is lacking in any substance.
If you want to use your status to raise issues that you're passionate about then great, but don't start ramming it down people's throats until there is some substance behind what you say. Present reasoned arguments with possible solutions - otherwise you just look, well, like Brand.
UST lol. He's changing the Brand brand and increasing his bank account.
He's doing very little that changes anything at all. Other than his bank account for the positive. He totally fails to understand democracy and politics.
There's a reason the big partys are all very central. Not everyone in the country has the same opinion, therefore a central party is the only one with a chance of gaining wide support.
95% of what he does is to further himself. Not rally the people, his ideas are stupid. Lets not vote. Yay that'll achieve change. Oh wait no it won't, in fact it makes it worse as he gener'aly appeals to young people, where the older are more likely to vote and vote in the opposite direction. .
And nothing he has said is new, it's all well discussed topics.
So yeah lol to you.
Nothing mire than a money whore, who's tapped a new market for himself.
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Brands bugs me for a few reasons.
His stance on voting (without putting forward any solutions) is likely to result in worse conditions for the very people he seems to want to represent.
The idea he represents are not new, they have been around for countless years & have usually come with somebody far more qualified to put them forward.
I also fear he's fundamentally useless, he isn't going to persuade anybody who has even a slight right leaning - so essentially he's preaching to the converted & is more likely to act as a divisive figure in politics (put off any economically right wing people from even approaching some aspects of the left).
We don't need an essentially shallow celebrity without either the skills, experience or outlook which will most likely turn more people off some of the good causes he supports than bring to the side. Let's face it, the kind of person persuaded by a walking thesaurus with chest hair isn't likely to be that much into politics in the first place.
I do believe his heart is in the right place, but if he's going to cause more harm than good is another matter.
His stance on voting (without putting forward any solutions) is likely to result in worse conditions for the very people he seems to want to represent.
The idea he represents are not new, they have been around for countless years & have usually come with somebody far more qualified to put them forward.
I also fear he's fundamentally useless, he isn't going to persuade anybody who has even a slight right leaning - so essentially he's preaching to the converted & is more likely to act as a divisive figure in politics (put off any economically right wing people from even approaching some aspects of the left).
We don't need an essentially shallow celebrity without either the skills, experience or outlook which will most likely turn more people off some of the good causes he supports than bring to the side. Let's face it, the kind of person persuaded by a walking thesaurus with chest hair isn't likely to be that much into politics in the first place.
I do believe his heart is in the right place, but if he's going to cause more harm than good is another matter.
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If he wanted to go increase his money, he'd go and act more and go to more auditions.
Seems somebody is not capable of critical thinking.
Oh wait he's replaced that with doing the kind of stuff he's doing now which probably makes him almost no money because most of it is talks etc.
Either way if he's profiting or not is irrelevant. His points remain completely valid.