Poll: Sack Race 17/18 Season

First for the chop?

  • Bilic

    Votes: 18 27.3%

  • Wenger

    Votes: 6 9.1%

  • Conte

    Votes: 2 3.0%

  • de Boer

    Votes: 29 43.9%

  • Benitez

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Shakespeare

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Hughes

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Howe

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Clement

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Mourinho

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • Total voters
    66
Almost every time Mourinho signs an extension he gets fired a year later and the club pays out a massive amount to get rid of him so I'd say, how about waiting to see if he produces good football against the best teams before throwing more money at him.

AS for top managers, notice how Barcelona find a new coach every couple of years that people don't seem to expect, they don't just hire a huge name and they do great. Fans get a little delusional about how there aren't up and coming managers, or viable alternatives because the same group of 5-8 'top' managers aren't available thus there are no other great options, it's crazy to me. It's the same with players, who was talking about Malcom a couple years ago, who was talking about Salah as one of the best players in europe even a couple of years ago, how many people talks about Jesus before City bought him?

There is always another player, there is always a new good manager, for the most part most fans are so focused on the top couple of teams in the top few leagues and the top managers and young players in their own leagues that they are completely oblivious to the next best managers and players that will be more widely known in a few years.
 
Robbo said:
They did look at other options first but that was due to pressure from select people within the club, Woodward and the Glazers are business first and Mourinho has the most impressive track record on paper. That is what I understood anyway, there's no way of knowing for sure.

I don't get the impression they are waiting for someone better to come along, because without going for an up and coming manager which is a gamble, who is there?

I know these payoffs aren't a great deal of money to a club of our financial standing, but the £8m to get rid of Moyes after 9 months was pretty awful. :p
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I'm not sure why business first people would appoint a manager that's spent more than any other manager in the history of the game, often signing players towards the end of their career for sky high prices with little resale value, not as their first choice anyway which seemingly has been the case. We know you wanted Pep, Klopp and actually appointed Moyes (even when Mourinho was begging for the job) and LVG before him. There was also the Taggart/Poch meeting prior to appointing Mourinho too. I think it's safe to say Mourinho was a long way down your list of potential managers.

As for the waiting for something better to come along comment. If in 18 months time Utd are sitting comfortably in the CL spots and Mourinho's still spending his press-conferences complaining about Klopp's teeth and not having enough money, while Castles is linking him with the PSG job again, you don't think Utd will be looking at their options? You think these business first people will be happy spending £100m+ more per season than the sides finishing 3rd or 4th just to give them, at best, a coin flip chance of winning the league?
 
I can't remember all the details at various points, I know Fergie spoke to Pep about the job, but I don't think he was offered it. I understand what you are saying, and Mourinho is not indispensable by any means. It appeared to me they kept Mourinho at arms length for some time, for the reasons you stated, and he is very demanding of the board and causes controversy at times.

As I mentioned earlier, I have been under the impression that Woodward wants Mourinho to stay and build a legacy at the club, how likely that is remains to be seen. It's easier for him to just have one manager in place (even if his spending is higher) rather than changing often. Look how it went with Moyes and then LvG - major hassle (and with LvG, lots of money wasted on various deals).

The question then is, why are the club sorting him out a new contract now?
 
Stability. He's got 18 months on his deal and Utd still aren't safe in the CL spots, both this season and moving forward and at the moment he's the safest bet for that. Imagine trying to sign new players when there's a whirlwind of speculation around Mourinho's future - which top players will sign for a club when Mourinho's pet dog is reporting that he could quit to join PSG at any point?

As I said to begin with, there's little downside for either party in signing a new deal. If Mourinho decides he wants to quit in a years time Utd won't fight to keep a manager that doesn't want to be there and if they decide to sack him it's not likely to cost them a significant amount more than now. All he's being given is a 3 year deal with an option of a further year - if they really wanted him to stay long term (which he says he wants too) then why not give him a 6 year deal like we did with Klopp?
 
Yes, stability is critical and I said before that if he isn't going to PSG then a new contract would be wise. How many managers stay for 6 years at the best clubs? It's a vote of confidence but of no real consequence either way.

I have plenty of concerns about Mourinho but I am hoping he's not a spent force just yet. As I have said consistently since SAF retired, I wanted him as our manager and I still do. I've wondered if he can change and despite the evidence stacked against him, I've yet to write him off.

He won't want to leave the job having not won the league ahead of Pep, that much is certain.
 
Mourinho is what he is and he's never changing. He's nobody's ideal appointment but he gets a job done, at least in the short term. And the last sentence is why I'm certain that it's only a matter of time before the **** hits the fan - Mourinho can't stand the love Pep gets and the hate he gets and he'll do anything and spend whatever he can possibly get his hands on to beat Pep but I don't think Utd are interested in getting into an arms race with City. As soon as you're secure in the top 4 then, relatively speaking at least, your spending will cut back - enough to keep you safe but not the money that City will spend.
 
It's not Mansour, it's Abu Dhabi. City are an investment as much as Utd are but two very different investments. City have been bought to create exposure for Abu Dhabi both from a financial point of view but it's also been suggested that they want the exposure to help protect them from any fallout in the Middle East. What City are spending is pocket change to them - where else could Abu Dhabi acquire or build a world wide brand, with the exposure the PL gets for such a small amount of money?
 
That's true, but nothing is certain. I think the good thing is that once we have finally established a proper squad, you don't need to keep spending £150-200m per season (although you never know with the way the market is going), you can just get a couple of players in every summer.

I think money will be kept available as it will help sustain the Man Utd brand, having top quality, recognised players is important, as is the top 4. I don't agree with the suggestion that funds will be cut as soon as we get a couple of top 4 finishes in a row. Gone are the days where SAF could win leagues despite replacing Cristiano Ronaldo with Valencia...
 
Think Keane was ~16-18 and Torres ~20. Kinda nuts how low that was considering what yourselves and Chelsea were affording nearly a decade before
 
Watford sack Silva :eek:

Weren't Everton offering them £10m just the other month to get him? With the way Everton are going of late they might be in for him again pretty soon.
 
Supposedly it was £15m Everton offered them :D

Benitez to Watford might be a decent bet. Watford's owners appear to be nuts but they back their manager and have a handy squad.
 
Watford Football Club has parted company with Marco Silva.

This has been a difficult decision and one not taken lightly. The Club is convinced the appointment of Silva was the right one and had it not been for the unwarranted approach by a Premier League rival for his services we would have continued to prosper under his leadership.

The catalyst for this decision is that unwarranted approach, something which the Board believes has seen a significant deterioration in both focus and results to the point where the long-term future of Watford FC has been jeopardised.

For the security and success of the football club, the Board believes it has to make a change.

The Club will seek to make a swift appointment and there will be no further comment until that appointment has been made.
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Firstly, lol.
Secondly, well in Everton.
Thirdly, there is absolutely no way they can prove their performances would have been any different if we didn't approach them about Silva.



:D :D :D
 
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