Poll: Scottish Independence: For/Against?

Independent Scotland?

  • For

    Votes: 99 34.6%

  • Against

    Votes: 139 48.6%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 48 16.8%
  • Total voters
    286
mosfet said:
I'm all for a united British Isles with Ireland, even though it'll never happen again.
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A "United British Isles" never worked and never would work so I don't see how you can still be for it.

There's shared culture, history and language between countries, and then there's bad shared culture, history between nations, eg. Ireland and Britain!
 
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AJUK said:
The thing is a lot of English are getting fed up of all this Scottish independence nonscence. You are struggling to get a mandate to do so, I seriously doubt that the Scots have the balls to go it alone. The English have, and there is a growing feeling south of the border that we can do without the hangers on. The time is approaching for the sweaties to put up or shut up.

The question is simple, remain a part of one of the most powerful countries on the planet or become nothing more than a Euro region without influence, power or recognition? The choice is yours. :)
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My god thats a lot of rhetoric. If we could get the referendum don't you think we'd vote sweetheart?
 
I am a Scot who now lives in england and I voted against! In Scotland we have the highest living standards in the UK - theres much more money about in Scotland compaired to england. We dont have many of the inner city problems either. However, us scots moan that we have a worse deal and inderpendance would benifit Scotland... this is largely due to racialism agianst the English... I remember being taught in schools that the english where bad.

Scots also talk about why do they have their main parliment in London as this has no intrests for the scots! Hang on most of the labour govenment are scotish including tony blair!

Message for my Zenaphoibic scottish brothers.... get a life.

Anyway Scotland cant have independance... centarys ago they basicly "sold" themselfs to the english. Go read your history!
 
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Morlan said:
A "United British Isles" never worked and never would work so I don't see how you can be still for it.
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I don't know if that's a typo or you trying out sarcasm, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

It didn't work because it never happened. Ireland was never treated as a member of the Union, but as a colonial asset. Scotland, England and Wales have a true Union through monachy and law, with each state being treated as an equal partner. If Ireland had been treated like this, rather than conquered by an arrogant invading force, then we'd been a single country today.
 
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mosfet said:
I don't know if that's a typo or you trying out sarcasm, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

It didn't work because it never happened. Ireland was never treated as a member of the Union, but as a colonial asset. Scotland, England and Wales have a true Union through monachy and law, with each state being treated as an equal partner. If Ireland had been treated like this, rather than conquered but an arrogant invading force, then we'd been a single country today.
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That's quite true, mosfet. But I think Ireland has done a lot better being independant than part of the UK, and I think perhaps Scotland could follow suit. I definitely think England/Wales would do extremely well as one country.
 
As for being part of one of "powerful countries on the planet". Well other than a permanent seat on the UN security council I dont see the UK through the same eyes as you.
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We're far from a superpower, and I feel that British people do have too high a view of the UK, but Britain is still highly influencial in international relations, still highly militarily powerful and has been historically involved with virtually every country on the planet.
 
mosfet said:
We're far from a superpower, and I feel that British people do have too high a view of the UK, but Britain is still highly influencial in international relations, still highly militarily powerful and has been historically involved with virtually every country on the planet.
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Indeed, I don't think the UK is a "superpower" at all, but it's very influential on the world stage, and that's the only reason Bush dragged the UK into war (but that's a whole other subject that boils my blood!) :p
 
Englishman, living in Scotland for 15yrs since age 8. Voted against.

Voted Lib Dem this election, i support the majority of SNP policies but this independence referendum is a farce. Luckily the SNP have 0 chance of forming a coalition due to refusing to drop the referendum and thus have 0 chance of getting it voted through. Lib Dem and Labour would outnumber them on it.

Ultimately i think Scotland could survive, but i don't think it'd be worth it in the long run. I reckon the economy would be shaky for anything up to 10 years, businesses would hold off investing until it settles and it would generally be a bad time. Considering we're doing fairly well just now it's better off as is!
 
Morlan said:
That's quite true, mosfet. But I think Ireland has done a lot better being independant than part of the UK, and I think perhaps Scotland could follow suit. I definaly think England/Wales would do extremely well as one country.
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The idea that Ireland has performed better than it would've as a member state of the UK is highly debatable. The very fact that it never truely was part of the UK in the sense that Scotland has been for the last 300 years is enough to make me highly skeptical of your idea that Scotland 'could follow suit'.

Once again, I ask, why go it alone just because you can survive when you're already part of a very strong and prosperous union? Why throw it all away for blind nationalism?
 
AcidHell2 said:
I dont care, but if they have independence, they shouldn't get any grants, any help and any choice on English politics. However they want all that whilst being independent. So I suppose I'll have to vote no.
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"they" Nice to know what you think of the scottish people :(
 
Alan! said:
Seems perfectly acceptable. They is a pronoun and would be ideally used in this context.

A seperate Scotland wouldn't consist of a race of "Scots". More likely a mix of British and Europeans. How would you refer to such a group?
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Sorry, it just seemed very belittling given they way in which it was used.
 
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