Scottish Inderef Mk2 - lets have a civilized discussion folks.

Every time this conversation arises, I love how the English end up acting like a petulant drunk who's been asked for a divorce.

"Let her go and see how she copes without me"

Totally oblivious to the other half's existence, which is kind of grounds for divorce in itself. :D
 
Brexit will be the route cause of breaking up the UK alongside the oft quoted 'non-reforming' accusation aimed at the EU. The UK should have got its own house in order first with a long over due reform of the Union. It is patently obvious that Scotland will in time become independent of the UK as it exists. Whether it is next year or in 5 years. People may say the polls show there is no appetite for it but the ballot box tells a different story. The SNP have been re-elected to Holyrood, not long before sending a record number of MPs to Westminster. Everyone knows what the SNP stands for ultimately and they are continually elected it is disingenuous to suggest they have no mandate for their overarching, principle, existence. Further, the fact they are far more competent in power than Scottish Labour or the Tories is a massive benefit. With council elections looming it will be welcome to see the last of Labour kicked to the kerb!

Simply, Brexit is the bomb that destroyed the United Kingdom as we know it. I have no doubt that if offered, a new agreement, after realisation of the component parts of the UK as sovereign nations, implementing similar administrative model as the EU to which all four nations are equal partners. How difficult would it be to accept and acknowledge all distinct parts of the UK as separate sovereign states and go the EU route with it. Own governments and perhaps regional in England if called for subservient to national governments under a UK council for reserved UK issues (defence etc.). It would be taken in a heartbeat by the people in Scotland and elsewhere within the UK. It would likely go some way to addressing the populist movements we have been increasingly seeing.

David Cameron done well for this to all happen. I wonder how many loathe him behind the scenes.
 
Let's just have a referendum between the 4 nations to decide if England should leave the UK. Solves everyone's problems.
They can renounce Eu membership to the remaing 3 and get on with it.

"solves everyone's problems." ? In what way?

Nothing like sweeping generalisations. What about the 55% in Scotland who wanted to stay part of the UK (and that includes with England), everyone keeps saying Scotland wants to say in the EU - I'm not convinced, in the EU referendum the question asked was whether the UK should stay in, not a mention of Scotland on it's own and that's the basis people voted on, having voted already to keep Scotland in the UK.
 
I really, truly hope Scotland doesn't leave the UK whatever the circumstances.

You could be looking at 20+ years to gain EU membership and what happens during that time? I dread to think.

The entire UK would be weakened greatly, because nobody else is going to bail Scotland out when times get tough.

With that being said, it's hard enough getting the Tories to spend further up than Watford let alone in Scotland.

There surely has to be an ace card somewhere where Scotland could apply for EU membership separately and then have a smooth separation.

It's the only way I could foresee a structured and less damning outcome for everyone involved.

That's if they voted out of the UK that is, and i'm not convinced they would currently.
 
Most Scottish people couldn't care less about the EU because only a third voted to stay in it. Independance would mean leaving the EU anyway. Anybody who thinks any different is either so blinkered by the crap spouted by the SNP or are living in a dream world. Scotland is not and never has been a member of the EU. The UK is the member and Scotland would have to apply for membership.

The majority of the Scottish people don't want a referendum, it's the SNP that is pushing for it because that's the only thing they exist for. The greens are in it with them because there are so few of them it's the only way they can make themselves look important. We had enough of this nonsense the first time around and the bile and hatred divided the country and now that witch is starting it up all over again. The English are getting involved because they are in the completely wrong opinion that the Scottish people are pushing for it. They are not. It's the SNP and their die hard nationalists that live in a complete fantasy land that are pushing for it.

That's the general opinion i've gathered from the ten or so Scots who i've talked to about it.

Only one of them pondered the idea. The trouble is, down here all you hear is Sturgeon arguing on television and in the news. There aren't many balancing voices being portrayed.
 
Every time this conversation arises, I love how the English end up acting like a petulant drunk who's been asked for a divorce.

"Let her go and see how she copes without me"

Totally oblivious to the other half's existence, which is kind of grounds for divorce in itself. :D

Big difference is, when Scotland divorce us we can stop paying to keep them.
 
^^ Which is amusing since Scotland has the same unemployment rate as the UK average.

Bottom line is our public services are spread out over a much larger area than most regions in England and Wales, that means it'll cost more to deliver.
 
All this division in a world that is becoming increasingly connected and international is really dumb.
Pride in your heritage and culture is one thing. Nationalism is something else altogether more distasteful.

If any of these politicians had any common sense, they'd be focusing on our similarities and common interests, and demonstrating this to a population who's primary thoughts revolve around soaps and tabloid bs about how immigrants took-er-jerbs.

I can't be the only one who thinks this.
 
All this division in a world that is becoming increasingly connected and international is really dumb.
Pride in your heritage and culture is one thing. Nationalism is something else altogether more distasteful.

If any of these politicians had any common sense, they'd be focusing on our similarities and common interests, and demonstrating this to a population who's primary thoughts revolve around soaps and tabloid bs about how immigrants took-er-jerbs.

I can't be the only one who thinks this.

I feel the same tbh I just find it annoying that the vocal bigots on each side of the border get the attention.
 
All this division in a world that is becoming increasingly connected and international is really dumb.
Pride in your heritage and culture is one thing. Nationalism is something else altogether more distasteful.

If any of these politicians had any common sense, they'd be focusing on our similarities and common interests, and demonstrating this to a population who's primary thoughts revolve around soaps and tabloid bs about how immigrants took-er-jerbs.

I can't be the only one who thinks this.

Do anything to chase votes is all they care about.
 
Ah the war thing again.....

Which one are you referring to? The Balkans? WW1? WW2? Chechnya? Crimean?....we live in unstable times with nationalist and chauvanist sentiments boiling under the surface of most countries. We need to be doing more to unite Europe, not saying 'screw you jack, i'm alright! at least for now....it's not a viable long term strategy.
 
Interesting to see just how much Sturgeon misjudged the mood this time with her demands generally being met with "meh" outside the most hardcore Nats. Sturgeons credibility rapidly going the same way Wee Wrecks did...
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Interesting to see just how much Sturgeon misjudged the mood this time with her demands generally being met with "meh" outside the most hardcore Nats. Sturgeons credibility rapidly going the same way Wee Wrecks did...
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Lol that must really annoy janette krankie!
 
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