As above, you could have gone all out for Guardiola earlier in the year (assuming that this decision hasn't come out of the blue from Fergie) or Klopp - with their squad being raided, I'm sure he could be persuaded to leave. They would be the 2 outstanding candidates imo but there's a whole host of other very good, proven managers out there.
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As above, you could have gone all out for Guardiola earlier in the year (assuming that this decision hasn't come out of the blue from Fergie) or Klopp - with their squad being raided, I'm sure he could be persuaded to leave. They would be the 2 outstanding candidates imo but there's a whole host of other very good, proven managers out there.
Ah Mr Charlton, the one who tried framing Bobby Moore.
Not sure about managing in other leagues again but he's certainly never hid his desire to one day manage the Portuguese national side...
Both foreign though, always the chance they will want to bugger off 'home' at some point.
Moyes is steady Eddie.
Good job you're lot didn't think the same when you promoted from within, managers who had never won much like King Kenny
I don't see it as massive a leap as people are thinking. People thought he would be out of his depth going from Preston to Everton. Surely you have to give managers from lower divsions and places int he league a chance because we are running out of top names to keep calling crap anyway.
Football's very different today than it was in those days danny. And there's a difference from Paisley taking over from Shanks and so on to a move from a different club. Had Moyes worked under Fergie, learnt from him and been continuing the work he done then there'd be a natural progression. This isn't the case though and it still wouldn't be a great choice.
With the greatest respect to Everton - you taking a gamble on a manager is not quite the same as Utd. Utd are in a position where they shouldn't need to take a punt on a manager. They're one of the biggest sides in the world and wouldn't have any problems attracting the very best managers in the world.
The regulations clearly spell out that the Champions League proper begins at the Group stages, it is even named as such....section 7.01 of the articles of the competition clearly define the phases and part (c) clearly states the UEFA Champions League as being separate from the Qualifying and Playoff stages of Qualifying for the League Proper.
It is very clear that the qualifying phase is separate from the Champions League proper.
This is also implied with regard the rules regarding registration of players within the separate stages.
I think you would be pushing it to suggest that Moyes has Champions League experience in any meaningful way tbh.
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How much experience did Jurgun Klopp have in Europe before taking Dortmund to a final?
Moyes I've never been particularly impressed with, but people make ridiculous broad statements, firstly European football, is, you know, FOOTBALL, so he does have a huge amount of experience with european football, unless the rules are different and you use a different shaped ball. Football is football, how did Spurs do in their first season in the champs league without a champs league football experienced manager or team? Right, they outdid Arsenal, and Utd.
its meaningless guff, same way people talk about international football being the highest level and questioning Messi because he hasn't won a world cup, its all utter nonsense.
UTd currently aren't great in the champs league, nor are they currently a great team, nor is Fergie producing a team or football, nor buying the quality that he was 10 years ago.
Experience in Europe is not a reason to get a manager, nor is how they play football with one team a direct indication of what they can do with another team. There are teams that have won titles at bigger teams that have failed miserably at smaller teams despite being seen as great managers, and RDM has gone out and won the champions league at his first attempt... btw how much experience did he have as a european manager?
What Moyes does with a 60-70mil wage budget and tight transfer budget, ISN'T a good indicator of what he'll do with a closer to 200million budget, more transfer money, better footballers. You, and me, and most people, have no idea how he'll adapt, what football he'll try and play, what his goals will be.
Same way people talk about Martinez, with statements like is he really any good when Wigan only just scrape survival. Well, if Wigan had a massively increasing budget and he was just achieving staying up, he'd be doing poorly, but on pretty much the smallest budget in the league and no cash to improve, he's doing pretty well.
Personally I don't much care that he's leaving, I see the whole league as worse, and he's part of that, they are being crushed against teams from better leagues in europe and he's out there handing 85k a week contracts to Welbeck, caving in to Rooney, starting Carrick all the time, playing Valencia, I think he's taken Utd backwards for the past 3-4 years, just because the whole league has gone back and Utd are still successful in comparison, the clear gap emerging between the likes of Utd and the likes of Bayern over the past 5 years.
Fresh blood is needed in the EPL, the entire league is stale, going backwards, too many long term managers who have settled and have merely been ticking the clubs over rather than striving to improve, and thats hurting the league as a whole. I want to see Wenger, Moyes, Fergie, Pulis, all **** off frankly.
Moyes I've never been particularly impressed with, but people make ridiculous broad statements, firstly European football, is, you know, FOOTBALL, so he does have a huge amount of experience with european football, unless the rules are different and you use a different shaped ball. Football is football, how did Spurs do in their first season in the champs league without a champs league football experienced manager or team? Right, they outdid Arsenal, and Utd.
its meaningless guff, same way people talk about international football being the highest level and questioning Messi because he hasn't won a world cup, its all utter nonsense.
UTd currently aren't great in the champs league, nor are they currently a great team, nor is Fergie producing a team or football, nor buying the quality that he was 10 years ago.
Experience in Europe is not a reason to get a manager, nor is how they play football with one team a direct indication of what they can do with another team. There are teams that have won titles at bigger teams that have failed miserably at smaller teams despite being seen as great managers, and RDM has gone out and won the champions league at his first attempt... btw how much experience did he have as a european manager?
What Moyes does with a 60-70mil wage budget and tight transfer budget, ISN'T a good indicator of what he'll do with a closer to 200million budget, more transfer money, better footballers. You, and me, and most people, have no idea how he'll adapt, what football he'll try and play, what his goals will be.
Same way people talk about Martinez, with statements like is he really any good when Wigan only just scrape survival. Well, if Wigan had a massively increasing budget and he was just achieving staying up, he'd be doing poorly, but on pretty much the smallest budget in the league and no cash to improve, he's doing pretty well.
Personally I don't much care that he's leaving, I see the whole league as worse, and he's part of that, they are being crushed against teams from better leagues in europe and he's out there handing 85k a week contracts to Welbeck, caving in to Rooney, starting Carrick all the time, playing Valencia, I think he's taken Utd backwards for the past 3-4 years, just because the whole league has gone back and Utd are still successful in comparison, the clear gap emerging between the likes of Utd and the likes of Bayern over the past 5 years.
Fresh blood is needed in the EPL, the entire league is stale, going backwards, too many long term managers who have settled and have merely been ticking the clubs over rather than striving to improve, and thats hurting the league as a whole. I want to see Wenger, Moyes, Fergie, Pulis, all **** off frankly.
Which clearly entirely invalidates his opinion on everything
Just contributing to the NON-FERGIE TALK on the thread:
What have we had so far?
- Lamp Talk
- Champions League Qualifying or NOT
- Bobby Moore
- The Black mercedes that Utd use ALL THE TIME for signings
Any others?
They said the same about Hodgson
And what's the chances of Moyes being Utd manager for more than the 5-6 years that Klopp or Guardiola might hang around for? He's going to have to be successful for that to happen.
Fair point but we don't know for sure who they approached and who turned them down. I think all but the biggest ego would mind following Fergie and I don't think United wanted Jose. I think it's clear from this very thread how quickly the fans are going to turn on a manager that doesn't deliver the treble next year playing football of 99 standards
So it may as well be Moyes
Please make it stop.
Weird appointment if true, smells like a Martin O'Neill to me.
When Fergie first thought of retirement back in 01/02 wasn't O'Neill/Sven the main candidates, Look how they've done ever since.
Managing a club where you're only goal is to finish in the top half of the table and get the odd European qualification to a club where you're expected to win the EPL and compete with the likes of Barca, Bayern & Real in the UCL.
His CV is very underwhelming for a club of United's stature.
When Fergie first thought of retirement back in 01/02 wasn't O'Neill/Sven the main candidates, Look how they've done ever since.
Managing a club where you're only goal is to finish in the top half of the table and get the odd European qualification to a club where you're expected to win the EPL and compete with the likes of Barca, Bayern & Real in the UCL.
His CV is very underwhelming for a club of United's stature.
They said the same about Hodgson
And what's the chances of Moyes being Utd manager for more than the 5-6 years that Klopp or Guardiola might hang around for? He's going to have to be successful for that to happen.
He couldn't be in a better position to start
Not really, what Man United seem to want is someone to turn up and carry on the good work, not turn up, win a couple of things, annoy EVERYONE, then leg it to another club "where they felt loved".
Moyes has in 10 years stuck it out at Everton and taken them further than probably expected given the resources...
Oh and scouser, a lamp and an unemployed scots man are at the top of a slide. Genie at the top tells them you have one wish as you go down just remember it will appear at the bottom. Scouser goes first and shouts "dead thatcher" which promptly creates zombie thatcher at the bottom and causes the end of the world. Lamp goes down, screams "NO MORE GENIE'S IN ME", genie disappears. Scotsman looks annoyed as he doesn't get his wish, goes down the slide, has so much fun, screams "WEEEEEE", promptly ends up in the worst puddle of all time.
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