**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**
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VDV would be ideal, doubt pool would go for him. Drenth is a LW isn't he
He's not good enough to play for Liverpool and never will be, I hope they sign him.^ Vaart can, dont see why there's so much negativity about Cattermole. Ok he's not as good as Alonso but the he's got great potential. He's proved himself and everyone is still saying he's tripe!
You really do not have a clue do you? Have you ever thought that a value for a player is based on his worth to the team he is leaving and not just purely based on image rights? Alonso has been immense for Liverpool over the last few seasons, and the difference when he doesn't play is clear for all to see.
I really wish I could swear at you.
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I know Alonso isn't a DM like Mascherano but I don't think he plays the sam position as VDV.
VDV plays Gerrard's position if anything, a more advanced role (or out wide, which I think he's played for Real a few times.)
^ Vaart can, dont see why there's so much negativity about Cattermole. Ok he's not as good as Alonso but the he's got great potential. He's proved himself and everyone is still saying he's tripe!
van der Vaart doesn't play even a remotely similar role to Xabi. Plus last year he showed that he barely has the physique to stand up to the Spanish league, let alone the Premiership!
Noo, Xabi
I'd accept Rafa bringing in Sneijder and Mata as justification for losing him...
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I thought Hleb had been bundled up in the Ibrahimovic / Eto'o deal? Has that not happend or did he just get left out of it. Funny to see him going back to Stuttgart.
It's hilarious really, he honestly thought that because the grass was greener on the other side he'd do well at Barca. As it turns out he just warmed the bench throughout most of his time there.
He apparently wanted guarentees of first team football which he couldn't get so he rejected terms. Cheers for the money Hleb, but I don't feel any sympathy.
On that basis I wouldn't mind Viera back. Not only is our centre midfield light; but it appears it lacks confidence as well. I agree he wouldn't get a full season in England now - however what he could offer off the pitch could be invaluable. In terms of the squad as whole this is especially true since we've lost Toure's experience.
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Alonso going would be awful news
Cattermole isnt the pedigree of player we need to replace him though. Turner is decent isnt he?? Seems to play well when ever I see him. Good cover for the defence, especially after selling Arbaslower.
Cattermole isnt the pedigree of player we need to replace him though. Turner is decent isnt he?? Seems to play well when ever I see him. Good cover for the defence, especially after selling Arbaslower.
I guess its entirely possible that Cattermole and Turner are to be squad players, rather than a direct replacement for Alonso. Add up the prices for Turner and Cattermole and it doesnt come close to the money we get from Arbeloa, Dossena and Alonso. So frankly I would expect another signing as the replacement for Alonso.
As squad players Turner and Cattermole are fine, and will at least help with the 6+5 ruling.
As squad players Turner and Cattermole are fine, and will at least help with the 6+5 ruling.
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Has he? News to me.
I'll be sad to see Alonso go but we'll hopefully get close to £30 million for him and Rafa can and will replace him for far less.
Stick him on ignore like 99% of the forum have.
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I didn't know there was a 6+5 ruling this season ?
not this season but a lot of teams seem to be preparing for it's gradual introduction
This was discussed a little while back and IIRC the FA won't be using Fifa's 6+5 rule and have instead said they'll introduce their own version of the current Champions League rule. In other words there will be no limit to the number of foreigners in your starting 11 but you must register a minimum number of home grown players in your first team squad (not match day squad).
And I don't want to disappoint anybody getting excited over us signing Cattermole but unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen
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Vieira, since his last 18 months at Arsenal, has played like he doesn't have any hunger or care, he turned into a paycheck player. He's probably "as good" as you don't really lose your eye for the pass or technical ability, just your drive. I don't think that really does much for the squad tbh, a player who doesn't give a crap anymore.
Not sure how a year's contract and barely playing will really motivate him to do well. He used to be a driving force for Arsenal, but in his last months he turned into a fairly dull player who rather than run at goal or drive the team forward was far happier with safe sideways/backwards passing and he constantly did that thing, protect the ball, get a tiny tap and fall over for a freekick. To be honest, we have that in Song and Denilson now, the slow delaying of passing, I can't see any benefit to the team of a guy that didn't care 5 years ago, let alone now. Its not like Silvestre remotely helped despite his experience, barely played, played badly, hasn't provided real competition to other defenders to help them improve, just sucking more money out of the club.
Toure's comments today weren't bad, but certainly what I feel the squad is feeling, incapable of winning anything and going nowhere. He, like others, feel's the team is worsening and changing for the worse.
Worst of all, it turns out Rosicky hasn't played any part in the past 3 games because of a minor injury setback.............. prays to god thats an accurate description this time.
I didn't know there was a 6+5 ruling this season ?
Its not this season, but next season it will be 4+7, then 5+6 the season following and then 6+5 after that. Nevertheless is a good idea to start preparing now rather than later when english prices really go nuts
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I really wish I could swear at you, value isn't based purely on the team selling or the worth to the squad, especially when the manager has made it very clear he wanted to get rid of him the year before.
Fans might want him, the manager couldn't more clearly not give a monkeys about the guy which also affects his value.
I also didn't remotely come close to suggesting value is based purely on image rights, but they do add up in the grand equation.
If Ronaldo is worth 10million a year in income for image rights, then a selling club has less financial incentive to sell him, hence his price goes up. Ronaldo is a better player than Alonso to start with, aswell as being far more valuable and his selling club not actively trying to sell him the year before.
SO in other words, you think Alonso is worth 30mil because Liverpool fans what him, thats altogether fine. However his manager wants to get rid of him, he's worth little in terms of image rights, and several clubs weren't all trying to buy him like Benezema.
So i'm basing his value based on the market, the interest and the managers involved, you're basing his value on the fact that the fans don't want him to go. Funny, because to me, the fans valuation of a player has never once impacted sale price, while all the other things I was considering, always have determined the price. For instance, Arsenal fans generally thought Ade was never worth 25mil and would be happy to see Eboue leave for free, yet that has no bearing on their actual market value.
EDIT:_ another example would be Eto'o, Barca did want to sell, despite being a quality striker he went for next to nothing, while Zlatan, who the CLUB didn't want to leave was ludicrously expensive in comparison. Considering Eto'o was the most prolific player at the club and incredibly important, that didn't effect his price at all, while the fact they wanted him out AND TRIED TO GET RID OF HIM PREVIOUSLY meant he went for way under market value.
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This was discussed a little while back and IIRC the FA won't be using Fifa's 6+5 rule and have instead said they'll introduce their own version of the current Champions League rule. In other words there will be no limit to the number of foreigners in your starting 11 but you must register a minimum number of home grown players in your first team squad (not match day squad).
And I don't want to disappoint anybody getting excited over us signing Cattermole but unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen
Cant understand why the FA would do that, especially seeing as the FA were one of the 155 who voted in favour of the FIFA rule in the conference in Australia. (only 5 voted against)
He was ready to play in the last 3 games, so I'd say very very very minor...