** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **
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So in the event that Liverpool do sign Downing for 19m since Kenny's return their transfers will have been
Carroll - 35m
Suarez - 23m
Hernderson - 16m
Downing - 19m
93m
I still can't get my head around that 35m Corroll signing. Panic buying on deadline day.
We didn't have much choice though looking bad he hasn't had chance to do much anyway, IF he comes good the Fee will quickly be forgotten about anyway.
Best buy for us is Suarez cause in honesty since the Torres signing no one has made such an impact for us as he has in a short period of time.
I agree we did but if he has a good season which he is able to do i dont think he has entirely lost it then we should play him BUT if he has a couple bad games drop him problem is its Gerrard and he is massive for us and he does make sure peoples heads stay in the game even if he is playing bad himself so its weather or not KK does it.
Lets face its most people fan wise wouldn't look at in the right sight they would see it as him being insulted.
I'd argue that Suarez made a bigger impact that Torres did in his first 5 months.
And regarding all the fee's. We received £50m up front from Chelsea for Torres where as £5m of both Suarez and Carroll's fee's were add-ons. So in guaranteed actually outlay, they cost less than what we got for Torres and it would be hard to argue that we're not better off for the swap.
We played better without him because of the change in manager not because Gerrard wasn't in the side. Gerrard only played a few games right at the start of Dalglish's return before getting injured. I'm certain that had he been fit we'd have still performed the way we did when we went on that run under Dalglish.
edit: Actually, I'd agrue that our best performance under Dalglish was vs Utd which Gerrard played in and put in a very disciplined performance.
Youngs been one of the best wingers in the country for the past four years though, where as Downing isnt even the best winger in his house.
I'm not just saying it because its Liverpool, but anyone that thinks the phrase "Stuart Downing is worth £19 million" is MENTAL and should not be allowed near near a football club in any capacity.
I'm not just saying it because its Liverpool, but anyone that thinks the phrase "Stuart Downing is worth £19 million" is MENTAL and should not be allowed near near a football club in any capacity.
Newcastle wanted 35mill, we were only willing to let Torres go if Chelsea offered the Carroll fee + 15mill.
If chelsea had walked away, so would have we.
Looking at the general state of wingers in the PL compared to other leagues it wouldn't be difficult.
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Which would explain why Villa fans voted Downing their player of the year and not Young? You'd imagine their fans would have a better idea regarding the performances of the 2 players.
And I don't think anybody has said Downing is worth £19m and I'd be surprised if we paid that for him, although I was staggered that we paid what we did for Carroll so who knows what might happen.
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Probably about £5m a piece as they are both undoubtedly horrifically overrated, and reliant totally on their pace at the expense of being able to deliver a telling ball into the danger zone, or the ability to look up and locate a team-mate in space.
Downing is a considerably more talented footballer than either of them.
When they lose their pace, the pair are going to be completely unable to adapt to other roles unlike someone of the ilk of Giggs who's intelligence and technique allows him to play in other roles.
And if Henderson is valued at £19m, then to price Downing below this is madness - on the basis of what exactly.
I hope he's left alone to stay with us.
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For the first two seasons at Villa Young was superb - being voted on each occasion in the PFA team of the season reflects that.
Since then, and in particular last season, he cut a moody, selfish figure, who seems to play for himself. That is why Villa fans will not be sad to see him go, despite his undoubted talent.
Downing was considerably better last season, and we still have Marc Albrighton who is a fantastic prospect.
Henderson was £16m not £19m and as I seem to have said 1000 times before on here, young players - especially ones who are already established players - demand higher fees because of their potential longevity.
Downing might have another 5 years in him where as somebody like Henderson has 10-12 years left in him so if their transfer fees were the same, the true cost of Downing would be more than double that of Henderson.
You might argue that Downing is a better, more proven player on current ability but is he more than twice the player than Henderson is?
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Gerrards problem now I think will be injuries, I reckon he has one really good season left in him and then a few injury strewn ones and then that will be it.
Downing is only 26 and your comment on "young players - especially ones who are already established players - demand higher fees because of their potential longevity" doesn't really run true as Henderson isn't really "established" as such currently.
Unfortunately, the transfer market had become in-balanced due to the noveau rich in our game (Man City, Chelsea) and ridiculous transfers such as Lescott £20m+ and Carroll £35+ blowing apart any sense to valuations.
In the cold light of day, 6 months on, it would be interesting to see if Liverpool regret the Carroll transfer fee...
Unfortunately, the transfer market had become in-balanced due to the noveau rich in our game (Man City, Chelsea) and ridiculous transfers such as Lescott £20m+ and Carroll £35+ blowing apart any sense to valuations.
In the cold light of day, 6 months on, it would be interesting to see if Liverpool regret the Carroll transfer fee...
In 6 months time, if Carroll has scored more than Torres, I suspect Liverpool will be very happy with the Carroll transfer.
How can we regret something we never paid? Its Chelsea's expense, not ours.
Downing will be 27 before the season starts, he's not likely to be playing at a high level for much more than 5 seasons. As for Henderson, he's played regular Premier League football for the past 2 seasons; that's fairly established.
You can pay £15m of whatever he costs on Downing and you'll have to replace him in 4-5 seasons. You can pay £16m on Henderson and won't need to replace him for 10+ seasons.
The ludacrous thing is, Liverpool "justify" the waste of £35m on Carroll through the remarkable £50m they obtained for Torres. For Chelsea, a £50m spend makes a far less dent in their funds than £35m in Liverpool's.
They should have banked the Torres Gold until the Summer when more players would be available at a cost/quality to match their requirements.
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