** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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That's why some people are managers and football coaches and the rest of us sit on forums. :) presumably the Liverpool staff can see what he can offer us and think he is good enough. The only other alternative to that is that they don't think he is good enough and have no idea what they will do with him but are buying him anyway, which I can't see being the case.

I assume this is knocking Mata on the head, if we did go for Mata too that would give us , Adam, Henderson, Mata, Downing, Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt, Spearing, Shelvey, Gerrard, Lucas, Meireles (if staying), Maxi (if staying)
 
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If "Woy" had attempted to sign Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson and Andy Carroll for a combined fee of.......


(hang on, let me add this up........

£24m+£15+m+£35m........)


£74m+

Would that seem like good business?!

£74m.....
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Andy Carroll is completely justifiable at what we rated Torres, in fact at the moment it looks more like one of the best deals ever (not sure it'll stay that way :p).

Others i do completely agree, and Tony Evans is not usually spot on about anything, nobody is with Liverpool at the moment.

Our signings are ridiculous and the fact we only want overhyped British players at a premium price concerns me.
 
Guessing that twitter rumour was bang on. Good stuff.

Happy with Charlie Adam, he was absolutely fantastic last season. Stewart Downing is very underrated. Really upped his game over the past two seasons and often outshone Young without getting plaudits. We'll have to see how he gets on. Glad the depth of the squad is getting sorted. I would still love a big time signing... Mata?:p
 
Alpherah said:
Also remember, as i have said on multiple occasions, dont expect these two to be automatic starters every game, we've proven even under Woy that our first 11 can compete with any team in the league, its depth which has hindered us for too long now, and something the management are slowly sorting out.
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Thats a pretty, errm, ridiculous way to try and get across that the first team was as good as utd, Chelsea, City and Arsenal, it was only your depth that cost you, purely because you beat Utd in one game. Should I point out that West Ham both beat you in the league and a strong Utd team in the cup, does that mean they are really a top team, but just lack a little depth?

Liverpool did not have a starting 11 that could compete with anyone in the league, overall, because they didn't and couldn't. Any team can beat anyone thats football, league 2 sides beating a Utd side in the cup, etc, etc, some tiny champs league team beating Barca at the Nou camp, thats life, that does in no way mean Liverpool only lacked depth.

Kuyt got a bit flukey, Suarez had a good start, Torres scored 9 goals of which most were winning goals that got you 3 points. Yes Suarez was good and yes Torres wasn't at his best, but he did more than good enough for Liverpool in the first half of the season and Suarez only replaced someone as effective for the team.

People seem to be forgetting, while Torres was utter crap since his move, he scored 9 in half a season for Liverpool, Suarez and Carroll together only managed 6 in the second half of the season.


By the looks of things Liverpool might be moving on their most important midfielder from last season, sure Liverpool fans love Lucas now, but he didn't play much different if Liverpool won, or lost, it was Meireles coming into form that changed their season into winning more games.

Depending on who ends up starting next season for Liverpool, I can see it being essentially a barely different team to now. Henderson could easily not be playing, Kuyt and Downing on the wings, Lucas and Gerrard in midfield, Meireles gone. Will Kuyt score as many when he's back in a wing role with Gerrard playing, frankly, no.
 
DM occasionally makes sense.

The starting 11 comment, Liverpool had a starting 11 that could compete, reflected by their finish in the league. They played pretty good football as well as getting results which, is either a good thing (for L'pool fans / staff) or a bad thing for other league clubs.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
I'll be livid if he comes in to replace the vastly superior Meireles who we're apparently offering to Inter and Juventus.
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How many times did Dalglish play Meireles in central midfield? I'm struggling to think of one time (maybe after Gerrard got sent off in his first game back), if we sign Adam and sell Meireles, the 2 won't be connected as Dalglish doesn't see/trust Meireles as a CM.

£16m for Downing is probably a couple of £m too much (Utd paying similar for Young with only 1 year on his deal won't have helped) but £8m for Adam is about right. I've mentioned before that we definitely need somebody like Downing in our side and imo, there's definitely room for another a dominant CM.

Whether they're the best players available to us, only time will tell but they'll both improve our squad.
 
Funnily enough I think 8 million is too high and 16 million is too high :p but given the way other transfer's have gone, they're not too bad.

I just think Downing is either going to sink or swim, he's either going to be great width and good balls across for Carroll, or he'll buckle under the pressure. I do hope it's the first tbh.

I like Adam, think he's over rated a tad, but he'll be decent back up I guess. Can't really imagine him being first choice unless he steps up a few gears.
 
I couldn't disagree more with you on Downing. He's proven himself as a very consistent player; he's not a spectacular player that will rip through sides on his own but he'll do his job and he'll do it well.

I've heard somebody say that we wouldn't be signing Downing to be a star player, we're signing him to make Carroll a star player.
 
BaZ87 said:
I couldn't disagree more with you on Downing. He's proven himself as a very consistent player; he's not a spectacular player that will rip through sides on his own but he'll do his job and he'll do it well.

I've heard somebody say that we wouldn't be signing Downing to be a star player, we're signing him to make Carroll a star player.
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Oh I wasn't saying I think downing is a bad player per say, I just think he's never really been at a top club, (Villa aren't a top club before someone says so) and I do agree he's been bought to get the best out of the system / carroll.

I just wonder if he'll make the step up, or will he buckle? will his constant 7/10 performances keep the fans happy if the goals don't flow at first? Will the pressure get to him. S'all.

I do rate downing, i don't think he's amazing, but he's certainly not bad, he's easily one of the best left footed English players England have.
 
Robbo said:
Do you think the same about Young at Utd Tummy? He's going to have to play at a bit more than 7/10 :p
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I think he's a different player. Downing gives natural width and good balls in, solid if unspectacular. Young is much more direct and cuts inside much more, he's spectacular if inconsistent at times, I believe both will be better players at their clubs TBH given the better players around them.

Again, will Young handle the pressure of such a big club?
 
I hope they both do well, as imho, it could solve problems for club and country if they both come good.

Carroll and then with Rooney / Young and Downing behind, drop in a box to box midfielder or a play maker and some more defensive midfielders and that could work.

I'd like to see Downing come off as much as I would Young because Downing has always struck me as a really nice bloke as well, I like Young because he reminds me of a foreign flare player much more then a English winger (which is how I view Downing)
 
Tummy said:
Oh I wasn't saying I think downing is a bad player per say, I just think he's never really been at a top club, (Villa aren't a top club before someone says so) and I do agree he's been bought to get the best out of the system / carroll.

I just wonder if he'll make the step up, or will he buckle? will his constant 7/10 performances keep the fans happy if the goals don't flow at first? Will the pressure get to him. S'all.

I do rate downing, i don't think he's amazing, but he's certainly not bad, he's easily one of the best left footed English players England have.
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He's not been at a club the size of Liverpool before but when making the step up from Boro to Villa, his performances improved too. Hopefully they will again. Some players play better with better players around them.

As for 7/10 performanes; it's not about individual performances. Downing won't have to win games on his own, he's being brought in to assist others in winning us games.
 
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