** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Haha yes! :D

But sadly I think Wenger will be able to bring out the best in him. :(

I very much hope so. He's been a cracking player for you lot over the years but has admittedly dropped off a little over the past few seasons. Hopefully his injury worries can be put behind him and he can get back to being awesome. Really excited about his Arsenal career. :)
 
I very much hope so. He's been a cracking player for you lot over the years but has admittedly dropped off a little over the past few seasons. Hopefully his injury worries can be put behind him and he can get back to being awesome. Really excited about his Arsenal career. :)

Well the only team that has anything near the injury problems we have is your lot. I bet he twists his knee in the first game and has a year out ;)

He has been pretty average the last 18 or so months, maybe he needs this. I wish him the best and hope he achieves the form he had 3 or 4 years ago.

Somehow I think we got the better deal.

Speaking of deals how much is this for sale for......

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=19772968&postcount=196

My bet is it has some dart damage though ;)
 
The German aside I'm a little underwhelmed by Arsenal's signings to be honest :(

The way I see Arsenals signings is: If they'd kept Nasri and Fabregas then added Arteta, Mertesacker, Park, Gervinho, Santos, Benayoun while clearing out some of the chaff then they'd have pretty much set everything right from last season, added depth and experience and would be in a great position to challenge. Likewise their net spend wouldn't have been that big really. Losing Nasri and Fabregas however they really needed a Mata and M'villa quality couple of signings while still adding a couple more for depth.

The players they've got would have been ace supplementary players. As replacements for the quality they've lost? I'm not sure. Couple that with how pathetically late they left everything, the drubbing they took and the time it may take for these new guys to settle in and I can't see how this has in any way been a good transfer window for Arsenal.
 
The way I see Arsenals signings is: If they'd kept Nasri and Fabregas then added Arteta, Mertesacker, Park, Gervinho, Santos, Benayoun while clearing out some of the chaff then they'd have pretty much set everything right from last season, added depth and experience and would be in a great position to challenge. Likewise their net spend wouldn't have been that big really. Losing Nasri and Fabregas however they really needed a Mata and M'villa quality couple of signings while still adding a couple more for depth.

The players they've got would have been ace supplementary players. As replacements for the quality they've lost? I'm not sure. Couple that with how pathetically late they left everything, the drubbing they took and the time it may take for these new guys to settle in and I can't see how this has in any way been a good transfer window for Arsenal.

It's been as good as we could have hoped for. If we'd brought no players in at all then we'd be in a worrying position. As it stands we've played 3, drawn 1 and lost 2, but the losses were against excellent teams who we could have lost against at any point in the season even though the Utd scoreline was absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing. We haven't replaced Fabregas and I don't think any club would be able to simply go and replace him, he's phenomenal. We've added some decent players with huge amounts of experience between them and I'm very happy that we've finally got a very solid CB and having Brazil's first choice left back isn't exactly a shabby acquisition either.

It'll be interesting to see how the team actually lines up, a writer for Le Parisien said that Park would naturally fit into the RVP slot so whether this means two up top or Park on the bench I don't know. With Benayoun and Chamberlain we have two players who can play wide right so if Wenger wanted to he could play two up front using RVP and Park or RVP and Walcott with Park on the bench. It's gonna be interesting anyway.
 
It's been as good as we could have hoped for. If we'd brought no players in at all then we'd be in a worrying position. As it stands we've played 3, drawn 1 and lost 2, but the losses were against excellent teams who we could have lost against at any point in the season even though the Utd scoreline was absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing. We haven't replaced Fabregas and I don't think any club would be able to simply go and replace him, he's phenomenal. We've added some decent players with huge amounts of experience between them and I'm very happy that we've finally got a very solid CB and having Brazil's first choice left back isn't exactly a shabby acquisition either.

It'll be interesting to see how the team actually lines up, a writer for Le Parisien said that Park would naturally fit into the RVP slot so whether this means two up top or Park on the bench I don't know. With Benayoun and Chamberlain we have two players who can play wide right so if Wenger wanted to he could play two up front using RVP and Park or RVP and Walcott with Park on the bench. It's gonna be interesting anyway.

You missed out Ryodinho! :mad:
 
The German aside I'm a little underwhelmed by Arsenal's signings to be honest :(

I'm very happy with them.

This is whats irking me, a lot, the signings are rubbish, nothing less.

What too many Arsenal fans are doing is looking at Sundays shockingly crap performance, then looking at the team today after a few signings and going "yay".

What you should be doing is looking at the team from the last game of last season, comparing that to after all the transfer dealings are done and going.......wtf.

We've lost two young players in Cesc and Nasri, of which no one we've signed is even close to the same level. In Arteta we've got a thoroughly good player, who is no where near Cesc, and isn't really a player we will "build a new team on" he's a stop gap till we find someone who does.

In Benny, he's a freaking loan, ignoring that he missed the entire last season and Chelsea clearly don't want him, he's 31, and again not a player to build a team on.

In Santos, it would seem at best a sideways move, in Mertesacker. IF(and that might be a big if) he can adjust to the EPL and if his pace doesn't leave him near useless, then he's the only "upgrade" we've made this window.

Compared to Sunday's squad, its a massive improvement, compared to last seasons squad, we are hugely weaker, had another 60mil to spend and didn't, and needed long term ultra high quality players. We aren't close to where we left last year, and last year we weren't close to good enough.


I've said before what we wanted was sell the 5-6 worst players, keep the rest and buy these 6 players, that would be a great transfer window. Sell half the best players and buy these 6, and its very poor business.

But its Arsenal attitude, we win against the bottom six in Jan and Arsenal fans start talking about the quadrouple, and when we lose a game people are talking about losing 4th position. Think long term, not just the last game or the next game but the overall picture.

WE've got an older squad than last season after the transfers, with less value, less quality, less numbers, still a side ridden with injuries and missing its best player.

This is ignoring the fact that Benny and Park likely won't even be first team, nor will AOC, or Campbell.

Ignore Sunday it doesn't matter, from last year, Cesc is better than Arteta, Nasri is better than Gervinho, Clichy is probably better than Santos(i've watched some games, he's mostly a winger, I'm not hugely impressed but that may be more the side he's in and they were older games where he was left wing ahead of Roberto Carlos at Fene), Mertesacker could be better than our other CB's, his pace might be a problem in our league. Benny won't play ahead of Theo but IS better than him, the rest won't start games.
 
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So now you're whining about losing Nasri and Cesc as two top young players being a bad thing when you were a) desperate for Cesc to leave 'for his career' and b) desperate for Nasri to be sold for the money as he is supposedly terrible :confused:

An established Brazilian defender is a 'sideways step' - what more exactly where you hoping for? An experienced international German CB and captain is a 'gamble'? With Arteta and Bennayoun as extra experience and depth on top of the signings Wenger has already made (Gervinho & Park as established players, Jenkinson & AOC for the future), I think he has done an ok job of putting a team together without resorting to paying the ridiculously inflated transfer fees and wages that have been going around this window. The only possible criticism really IMO can be the timing but then you never really know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of negotiations. Nice as it would be real-life isn't like Football Manager - sometimes players just don't want to move or clubs won't let them leave - case in point being the whole Sneijder to Man Utd dealings.

DM-World is a strange place that's for sure.
 
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So now you're whining about losing Nasri and Cesc as two top young players being a bad thing when you were a) desperate for Cesc to leave 'for his career' and b) desperate for Nasri to be sold for the money as he is supposedly terrible :confused:

An established Brazilian defender is a 'sideways step' - what more exactly where you hoping for? An experienced international German CB and captain is a 'gamble'? With Arteta and Bennayoun as extra experience and depth on top of the signings Wenger has already made (Gervinho & Park as established players, Jenkinson & AOC for the future), I think he has done an ok job of putting a team together without resorting to paying the ridiculously inflated transfer fees and wages that have been going around this window. The only possible criticism really IMO can be the timing but then you never really know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of negotiations.

DM-World is a strange place that's for sure.

His world really does hurt my head. He'd still rage if he was a Barcelona "supporter", it would then be Guardiolas fault for the worlds problems, including the recent hurricane in America.
 
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You missed out Ryodinho! :mad:

He's gonna be an awesome player if Wenger gives him the chance. Can't wait to see what he can do in the EPL. As for DM's essay, well I didn't even bother reading past the first few lines, I can pretty much guess what it includes, the usual pessimistic drivel which is a shame as the past week or so he's made some agreeable points and conducted himself in a much more 'normal' fashion. :p
 
The way I see Arsenals signings is: If they'd kept Nasri and Fabregas then added Arteta, Mertesacker, Park, Gervinho, Santos, Benayoun while clearing out some of the chaff then they'd have pretty much set everything right from last season, added depth and experience and would be in a great position to challenge. Likewise their net spend wouldn't have been that big really. Losing Nasri and Fabregas however they really needed a Mata and M'villa quality couple of signings while still adding a couple more for depth.

The players they've got would have been ace supplementary players. As replacements for the quality they've lost? I'm not sure. Couple that with how pathetically late they left everything, the drubbing they took and the time it may take for these new guys to settle in and I can't see how this has in any way been a good transfer window for Arsenal.

The biggest worry I'd have if I was an Arsenal supporter is that the signings of Benayoun and Arteta make it pretty clear that Wenger's going to persist with the same style of football as the last 5 or so years, which has won them nothing. If it wasn't successful with the likes of Nasri and Fabregas, it's not going to be when you replace them with inferior players.

The style of football they play(ed) is great but it's not been successful. The only side in the world that's had success playing that style of football is Barca and the reason why it's successful is because they've got the best players in the world at playing it. The loss of Fabregas and Nasri could have been an opportunity for Arsenal to try and reinvent themselves into the Campbell, Vieira, Henry side of the early 2000's. Instead they're going to continue to try and pass teams to death but with poorer quality players.
 
The biggest worry I'd have if I was an Arsenal supporter is that the signings of Benayoun and Arteta make it pretty clear that Wenger's going to persist with the same style of football as the last 5 or so years, which has won them nothing. If it wasn't successful with the likes of Nasri and Fabregas, it's not going to be when you replace them with inferior players.

The style of football they play(ed) is great but it's not been successful. The only side in the world that's had success playing that style of football is Barca and the reason why it's successful is because they've got the best players in the world at playing it. The loss of Fabregas and Nasri could have been an opportunity for Arsenal to try and reinvent themselves into the Campbell, Vieira, Henry side of the early 2000's. Instead they're going to continue to try and pass teams to death but with poorer quality players.

They need a Bergkamp for such a lineup. Don't get many of those to the pound!
 
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