Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Ok so I exaggerated a little it's around £3.40 a kilo. Still a lot cheaper and more satisfying (and to my tastes) than over £10 from a brotein store.

It really isn't complicated to understand is it? I guess for some it is. :/
 
So what? It works for me. I'm just sharing my experience I'm not looking for acknowledgement or agreement.

I'm not a frugal shopper I buy good quality things but I understand that I'm in a fortunate position of being able to afford it. :)
 
sunama said:
Aaaah. The cookery enjoyment/fun factor.
This is something which cannot be quantified.
If you enjoy cooking (and judging by the amount of cookery shows on the telly - a lot of people do), then I guess home-made does have its perks.
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:)

Also I just enjoy the flexibility offered by not buying something - meaning I can have it at the consistency I want, and for very little effort (to me).

Yes I do enjoy cooking, and love good food.

TPW and others do have good deals - I'm not knocking them, heck I've bought from them myself and enjoy their products. However, I the kind that plans their week's food, and look forward to cooking - allowing me to eat a range of foods and flavours. I do so to minimise any need for supplementation which whilst it has its place is for me the "last port of call" so to speak. :)
 
MoNkeE said:
To expand on what Nick said, it's also been suggested in studies that the more muscle you have (ergo, the closer to your natural peak you are), the less protein you will need to continue to grow and gain strength. This is because the actual amount of muscle you are building is extremely small compared to someone who has just started lifting.
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Absolutely correct.

But then again Psycho, you've been lifting so long and do everything so perfectly, not only must you already be at your peak, but you'll probably be able to maintain on as little as 120g a day.
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*bitingmylipsoharditsbleeding*
 
Pretty much spread out through the day. I only take shakes if I know I'm not going to be eating much (i.e. at the bro meet I had breakfast, didn't really have lunch so needed to bolster the calories / macros) - owing to the fact that the "anabolic" post workout window has been debunked it not really become necessary to hove 1/2 days worth of macros post workout.

I generally eat 3 square meals per day with snacks of fruit and nuts in between. With shakes if I've had a particularly poor nutritional day (which is rare) which is why 2kg lasts me several months to 1/2 a year.
 
You're getting tiresome now Nate. Repeating and regurgitating the same play school pseudoscience isn't going to convince anyone here. We know more than you, and you're not even willing to pay attention to scientific facts, so you go an do what you want, but debating against us, is serving you or us no good. By all means start your own thread, but people in here are actually interested in facts not evangelistic vegan ignorance.
 
IrishChr1s said:
Eggs actually have no effect on serum cholesterol levels.
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Delvis was actually being sarcastic ;) However you're relatively new top this thread so you probably aren't aware of the banter between its regular members. I'm enjoying your contributions in other threads though - nice to see there are other people who are clued up on nutrition. :) You'll find there's a few of us in the Sports Arena. Unfortunately you do have to deal with the likes of Nate who think dietary fat = bad, and that vegetables alone = good, and that refined foods like pasta is also perfectly good over fish/meat/eggs.
 
Nate Silvers said:
You might know more than me but if you're telling me meat, eggs and dairy are healthy, then you lose your credibility as someone to be giving health advice. Many people on here would greatly benefit going high carb vegan. It's not fiction it's fact, just look at all the high carb nutritionists, all lean and fit VS the low-carb paleo movement, overweight and sick.



No of course not. The cholesterol in eggs is just burned off if you wiggle your ears.

Hens periods are very healthy just ask sally Fallon.




B12 is not a vegan issue. 40% of the US is deficient. Is 40% of the US vegan? No. As a meat, dairy and egg eater you could have a raging B12 deficiency and not even know it.

B12 is produced by the body and to get an outside source is next to impossible in today's world. It's a bacteria found in earth and water but our world is too clean to get it. Everything is washed, eat unwashed organic vegetables, it's where the animals get it.

B12 is destroyed by heat too so you're all killing it.

You don't even need science here, just use logic. For instance it's funny how the atkins products have B12 in them but they support a low-carb diet. Also a lot of pets foods have it in the top ingredients. You can even get B12 shots for your dog, cat and rat. Just ask any vet. Look at the health magazines promoting B12 in their products, are they vegan magazines? No. Thousands of non vegan athletes are taking B12 shots too.

Gary Yourofsky had a great video on it.
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And you say I lack credibility when you post this sort of thing?

You carry on eating your heavily refined processed foods, and I'll keep eating my well balanced, Mediterranean based diets with plenty of protein (meat, fish, egg), essential fatty acids, vegetables, fruits and complex carbs.

My cholesterol is bang on, with a high ratio of HDL to LDL, my bodyfat is low, with high percentage of lean muscle, good thoracic capacity, decent blood pressure and good VO2max capacity. My hormonal balance is good, good insulin sensitivity, decent test levels, and a good blood/lipid profile.

So I must be doing something right no?
 
mrthingyx said:
@Mods: can this conversation be taken into the La Cuisine area because it is not really about sports, performance or anything of the sort. And as it has been continually restated without any deviation, it is bordering dangerously on either deliberate trolling or pointless spam?

@Nate: I am still interested to hear how this impacts your performance, but not in your perspective, as you don't really seem to be either listening or thinking.
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Yes you're right - in fact, I'm going to delete any non related post from now on.

I said to Nate to start his own thread if he wants to - but this is detracting from a very useful thread about supplementation and not about diet or what concept of food you have.
 
Right. Enough.

Nate I told you to start your own thread if you wanted to discuss your garbage. Either contribute or stop trolling this thread.

This goes to anyone else.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
So for cooking which is my main use of coconut oil ktc is the better option.

For eating the more expensive options are fine due to them tasting better.

Although people on here usually make fun of people who spend more on supplements that taste better than non branded stuff like my protein etc. But it's fine for coconut oil at up to 5 times the price of the cheaper stuff.

e.g. someone posts on here that they buy brand x of protein powder because it tastes amazing.

they usually get lynched for paying 25-100% more but in this example it's fine to pay 500% more for taste.

Hope you can see how that could come across?
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coconut oil isn't a supplement, it's a food as far as I'm concerned - i'm happy to spend £££s on food, as food rocks.
 
duvet77 said:
I bought some coconut oil cos you lot all rave about it but now I don't know what to do with it! I put in black coffee which taste ok.

Got the MP stuff, never tried any others.
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Eat it, spread it on toast. Mix it with some crunchy PB, and then put that on an oat cake for noms. Add it to a shake, make sauces with it, cook curries with it or thai flavoured foods. Coconut shrimp is nice as are soups and baking with it.

There are literally 100s of recipes out there with coconut oil.
 
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