Silicone
Supplements the debate/discussion thread
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What a random arbitrary amount of protein. Any reason/science behind those numbers? I appreciate you're trying to help, but there is more to giving advice than random "g" of protein to a person who clearly is a little bit new to this sort of thing.
Exactly this.
If i'm really honest, my diet is very poor.
Because i work alternate shifts (6-2/2-10) My eating patterns suck.
When i'm at work for 6am, i won't eat all day until after i go to the gym, because my breaks are too early and it makes me feel sick.
When i'm on 2-10 ill eat poached eggs on toast around 9am, hit the gym at 10am, i will then go without any food until 7pm which is when i have my break, ill either have some fruit or a few tins of tuna, really bad i know.
I only eat once a day, i probably consume 300 calories a day.
You need to sort out your diet first before you need to start worrying about supplements. If you've overhauled your diet, and then are still struggling, then that is when supplementation helps and comes into its own. You need to be more organised and pre-prepare foods and be willing to put the effort in to make sure you do eat well.
Not really, it's merely highlighting the shortfalls of what people's perceptions on gym nutrition are - just because we're not tickling the belly of a "noobie" for their supplement choices, doesn't mean we're being antagonistic - if they're really willing to change their lifestyles they have to accept that "uber whey, anabolic muscle, fat shredding super-stack (tm)" won't give them the results they hope and that the advice from a combined total of decades of expertise in this forum will be much more beneficial. Yes it's a little scary at first, but if you listen and take on board the advice and offer the information that is being requested you'll be helped and have a lot more time offered to you.
I think the people who have given this 'noobie' (also, ironically, a disparaging term for fresh meat) advice have been genuinely surprised that somebody doesn't take sufficient care of themselves to support their healthy existence let alone a gym routine.
Whilst you are correct - it is partially a sad reflection of what the internet has done to perceptions of common courtesy - most of the people who have posted would be very happy to offer support/advice when it comes to actually answering the Clovis' subsequent questions.
If you re-read the series of responses, there was helpful guidance provided at first, and then when the fundamental issues of the Clovis' situation became apparent, people were genuinely shocked that somebody would accept such a predicament as 'normal'.
Most people on appropriate diets do not need to supplement with protein shakes. People on inappropriate diets may benefit given certain criteria (as pointed out above, where protein intake from regular diet is insufficient in protein... obviously), but they are not a magic cure for a diet that is deficient across the board (not just in macro-nutrient content but also micro-nutrient content). This has also been outlined above.
I suppose if you REALLY wanted to, you could offer advice that would actually help the individual: taking whey protein is not the answer in this instance.
@Clovis: for avoidance of doubt, there is an abundance of knowledge on this forum from training to diet and routine/regime/whatever. Ask away.
Good post.
There's no real need for that much protein, besides other than using lots of shakes it also gets expensive, and restrictive. The issue is more around the fact he's just not getting enough (or the correct type (at a guess)) calories in. For someone who is just starting staying 250g of protein is what you need, is frankly not helpful.
If he's serious about lifting he'll sort out his diet first and then worry about supplementation. Supplementation just addresses shortfalls in diet, or can add a little extra boosts in nutrition that sometimes a busy schedule can be short of, or just be hard to get.
Protein won't get your through a gym session - don't worry about that. If you eat well,you'll have energy for the gym. A banana and/or some coffee before a work out can help (it helps me) however it sounds as though you need to address some issues first, we're not best placed to offer such advice here really.
If you're not hitting your maintenance calories, you'll digest your muscles for energy, and actually end up being "skinny fat" before being skinny.
Different strokes for different folks. Whilst the biology is the same, we all have different levels of hormones, blood levels, lipid profiles etc... some of us our pancreas' work better than others etc... Some of us are more insulin sensitive, some react better to carb cycling, IF, or other lifestyle choices.
Of course some people just don't eat well, or enough, or eat too much! Also it depends on your activity levels and your overall diet too. It's quite a complicated overall picture - but that's why so many solutions are offered, problem is people don't do it scientifically enough or give themselves enough time to see if it's working.
Of course some people just don't eat well, or enough, or eat too much! Also it depends on your activity levels and your overall diet too. It's quite a complicated overall picture - but that's why so many solutions are offered, problem is people don't do it scientifically enough or give themselves enough time to see if it's working.
Just crunch on your shake it's good to have something to bite on 
Full on roider here with my DAA and homebrew whey concoction 
I can sweat into a towel and you can extract it from there?
It's a good club to be a member of
How so?
I don't mind hearing your reasoning - it's not really going to endear you dropping a comment like that with nothing more than a full stop. I am genuinely keen on you elaborating a little more as to why you'd think that?
This has been done to death, and with the greatest respect in the world you're not really adding any new depth to the debate 
It's just food - it's adding more protein and calories to your daily intake. You're not "on" anything, if you see it as just a way to bolster your calories then you're looking at it the right way. Sure, not all proteins are equal, isolates, concentrates, casein based etc... or mixes are all slightly different, and some have more sweetners and other crap in them, but ultimately they're just food.
Again, lots of different types, but it's one of the longest and most well researched and used supplement. Our body makes it, and it is a proven supplement which enhances power output.
It's just food - it's adding more protein and calories to your daily intake. You're not "on" anything, if you see it as just a way to bolster your calories then you're looking at it the right way. Sure, not all proteins are equal, isolates, concentrates, casein based etc... or mixes are all slightly different, and some have more sweetners and other crap in them, but ultimately they're just food.
Again, lots of different types, but it's one of the longest and most well researched and used supplement. Our body makes it, and it is a proven supplement which enhances power output.
You don't need to worry about refined/unrefined, just go for organic CCO. It's all you need, they're good for all applications.
Wholearth or your own is probably the best quality you can get - but if you want to buy in bulk TPW do a good tub, but the problem with TPW or MP or anyones online they're just not as crunchy as wholearth or other decent organic crunchy PBs you can get.
Just buy lots of nuts - roast them, and blend them. Then you can control how you want them.
I can buy a kilo of peanuts, roast them, and with the electricity used even with blending them, it comes to under £2 for 1kg.
Just buy lots of nuts - roast them, and blend them. Then you can control how you want them.
I can buy a kilo of peanuts, roast them, and with the electricity used even with blending them, it comes to under £2 for 1kg.
I have factored it in - and it's still more fun and satisfying and yields more and is very little work - and available quicker than waiting for a deliver.
I'm not criticising you, I'm just spelling out the plain facts.
I'm not lazy and I enjoy cooking and high quality foods. Each to their own. I do my own mixes of different nut butters too - and can get the consistency that I want as well.
I'm not criticising you, I'm just spelling out the plain facts.
I'm not lazy and I enjoy cooking and high quality foods. Each to their own. I do my own mixes of different nut butters too - and can get the consistency that I want as well.