Suzuka Circuit -JAPANESE Grand Prix 2009 - Race 15/17

What Jenson has shown (to me at least) is that he is missing something that other world champions like Lewis, and expecially Schumacher had, and thats the ability to ring the neck out of a not so perfect car.

When his car is good, he can be untouchable, but when its not quite right, he seems to struggle to be able to work around the problems and get the best out of it. His car was perfect for him for the first half of the season, but the developments throughout the year have meant hes not so happy with it, and rather than work with it and ring its neck to get the best out of it, he seems to get stuck behind with his problems.
 
When his car is good, he can be untouchable, but when its not quite right, he seems to struggle to be able to work around the problems and get the best out of it. His car was perfect for him for the first half of the season, but the developments throughout the year have meant hes not so happy with it, and rather than work with it and ring its neck to get the best out of it, he seems to get stuck behind with his problems.

I would guess the tyre issue which is well documented (by Brawn himself) doesnt help a smooth driver like JB as apposed to a more "hustle" style driver like Rubens, that would be a huge issue

Also think of the safety car in Singapore stopping Button getting a 2nd (which Autosport worked out in their race report last week) - 2 * 2nd places in two races would put a different complexion on the last few races wouldnt you say? Compounded with the fact that Button was caught out again with every red flag during this weekend's quali - **** happens , nothing can be helped but the amount of new sets of tyres he used which came to nothing cant of helped......yet he still managed to outrace his team mate significantly (finishing 2 places better than he started, compared to losing a place - and without the sc he could have probably beaten him for pace)

JB has made several mistakes without doubt, but there are mitigating circumstances also imo for majority of them .....and yes JB has faultered, but to STILL be 14 points ahead after scoring comparatively little shows how much the three other title contenders *****ed up also, but its all Button's fault....is a bit of a double standard (esp when in some races the Brawn has obviously NOT been the class of the field)

and the Brawn team are starting next year back at the same level as everyone else with regards to car development. He's a great driver, no question (I know you don't agree with that). But this year is his best chance.
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Every team started at the same level last season also - yes Honda had a lot more manpower, but the ideas are what counts and the man behind them is still there, so I cant really see it as a drawback

If anything they had more problems last winter than benefits which should only help Brawn over the coming winter, not only that but they can design the car around the Merc power unit which they wherent able to do last winter (which probably means not an ideal weighting / centre of gravity to this years car)

Next year will undoubtedly start more even (I cant believe two major teams having completely fubared cars for so long like this season) but there is a chance JB could well be the dominant driver next season and get all the major driver choices around him - especially if Rubens goes to Williams as rumours continue to circulate as much.

Without KERS the Brawn and McLaren will be a lot closer to each other, so that in itself will be interesting to see who comes out top I still dont think its right to write off JB so quickly now or the forecomig seasons - Brawn has the tactical nouse 2nd to none in the pitlane and the design ideas like the 2nd diffuser to never be written off imo

I thought button got quite lucky again today what with kova and sutil having a tussle and raikonnen and heidfeld backing up Kubica who really looked like he was going to have Button.

and he wasnt very unlucky to use new tyres during every qualifying red flag period either - or be demoted on the grid two places further back than his main contender, even though they basicaly did the same thing at the same time (nose to tail), or wasnt unlucky by the red flag during the race which would have had Rosberg coming out of the pits behind him

On balance he probably still got worse affected throughout the weekend so something actually went his way (being in the right place at the right time)

Sure there are? And?

All the great champions managed to win without that kind of advantage on at least one occasion, and beat the best of the field to do it. Button has never shown that kind of talent in any other season, and hasn't in this season.

Now, maybe, in the coming seasons he'll prove me wrong, which would be nice but I severely doubt it'll happen.

The bennetton was a dog when he was in it (plus trying to compete with a Briatore managed driver in both seasons he was there) which never came close to winning - the same could be said for majority of the Honda /BAR years apart from the single win where he beat Alonso fair and square that day (and his first year, at Williams , was a reasonable car but not class of the field either

This is the first chance he has been given to actually compete for the full year so thats probably why - as with most drivers , especially the last few years, much more reliant on the cars - much harder to hustle around these cars than it was in the 80's / early 90's, much more on aero now and therefore more down to the car rather than the driver
 
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The bennetton was a dog when he was in it (plus trying to compete with a Briatore managed driver in both seasons he was there) which never came close to winning - the same could be said for majority of the Honda /BAR years apart from the single win where he beat Alonso fair and square that day (and his first year, at Williams , was a reasonable car but not class of the field either

Drivers aren't assigned to teams by lottery, you know, they don't draw straws for them. There's a reason Button has never been offered a drive in a top car and that reason is that he's never shown himself to have the talent necessary.
 
Don't forget Button came third in 2004, with ten podium finishes. Beating Alonso in the Renault. That season Schumacher was untouchable with 13 wins and a 2 2nd places out of 18 races. Button may not have won a race, but the MS in the Ferrari that was never really going to happen! Barrichello, Montoya and Trulli with a Monaco fluke were the only other winners.
 
Drivers aren't assigned to teams by lottery, you know, they don't draw straws for them. There's a reason Button has never been offered a drive in a top car and that reason is that he's never shown himself to have the talent necessary.

this year proves otherwise (or the Brawn wins would be more balanced than 6/2)) , put it this way I bet if you put Button in the Ferrari Barrichello had for all those years, the results he got would have been much better
 
Button is an awesome driver, absolutely awesome. But what I find most awe-inspiring about the guy is the fact that he NEVER seems phased by anything. It makes me laugh when the press say he's under pressure and showing signs of strain, with all the commentators and pundits saying the same thing.

I don't know what they're watching but I've never seen Jenson look stressed, he's got to be the coolest cucumber in the Paddock.

I'll be utterly devastated if he doesn't win the WDC but I just can't see it happening - that he doesn't.

The only reason he's not been performing as well is because they changed something with his Car around Silverstone time and it didn't work out well for him, and then pre Monza they said they'd sorted things out with it and it was handling much more like he wanted and look where he finished... 2nd.

Lewis bottled it in 2007 when he was 17 points in front of Kimi with two races to go, that's nerves getting the better of a driver. Same won't happen to Jenson, he's got the cool head and driving talent deserving of a WDC.
 
I cannot stand Brundles attitude. Not that not wanting to wait for a quick chat is any example there alone, I just cannot stand his pompous 'get out of my way I'm important' method all the time. That comment 'oh we haven't got time to wait for some stupid questions'. He so winds me up! :mad:

You'll probably find that they have pre-arranged all the grid walk interviews with the relevant PR people first. All he is doing is getting his 'slot'. Also if he wasn't a bit pushy he would get nowhere !
 
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Lewis bottled it in 2007 when he was 17 points in front of Kimi with two races to go, that's nerves getting the better of a driver. Same won't happen to Jenson, he's got the cool head and driving talent deserving of a WDC.
Button is quite a bit older and wiser that Hamilton and has been around F1 for much longer. I really don't think that one can blame Hamilton for 2007, especially when he was having to deal with the massive disruption caused to the McLaren team by Alonso, de la Rosa and Coughlan over the spying affair.
 
Don't forget Button came third in 2004, with ten podium finishes. Beating Alonso in the Renault.

I have no doubt that Button was great in the first half of this season. In fact winning 6 out of 7 races is WDC-winning form in anyone's books. But the fact that he struggles to adapt to cars that dont behave exactly how he wants means that he can never be classed in the same category as Alonso or Hamilton.

He is certainly not a bad driver and if he wins the title this year, he will have proved that he is currently better than Barrichello. Its just a shame that he needs to have the car perfectly suited to him.
 
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I have no doubt and Button was great in the first half of this season. In fact winning 6 out of 7 races is WDC form in anyone's books. But the fact that he struggles to adapt to cars that dont behave exactly how he wants means that he can never be classed in the same category as Alonso or Hamilton.

He is certainly not a bad driver and if he wins the title this year, he will have proved that he is currently better than Barrichello. Its just a shame that he needs to have the car perfectly suited to him.

But didn't Hamilton have a car that wasn't how he wanted and look how badly he struggled. I thought he was almost going to break down in tears crying to the post race cameras when he was finishing 14th/15th etc.
 
also dont forget that it isnt just Vettel and Rubens (and Button) who are capable of winning, Kimi and Lewis are there or there abouts also, not forgetting Force India capable of displacing those that NEED to win/ come 2nd to secure the title

One or other of the drivers will lose out in Brazil (if not both) - after all where was the last race that both the Red Bull and the Brawn able to get to their full potential and both challange for the lead (Turkey?)

It will be very interesting indeed what happens if Rubens is only a place ahead of Button in 5th /6th /7th (therefore out of contention for the title) and Vettel is leading or 2nd (ie button claims the title if he gets passed Rubens)
 
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