Tabletop Warhammer?

[Noxia]

Minor factions like that might get a supplement at some point but they're not likely to get a full codex like Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves etc. probably will. I would assume if it's not listed on the Munitorum contents, it probably won't get its own full codex. Even all of those factions may not get one.

White Scars will probably get a few special rules mentioned when the general Space Marines codex appears but that's probably all for a while.

I used the wrong term yes I was referring to supplements, I am also now doubting where I saw about scars can't use Dreadnoughts, think it was a lore thing then rather than a rule! Were there supplements for different sub factions of Elder and Chaos too? I am really interested in all these lesser known chapters. AS you can tell by what I wrote, I don't know the correct term. I think for marines the top level was the Legion (numbered) then you had chapters underneath, and then sub factions or something.

Here is a cool illustration of some of the chapters and their colour schemes, should be able to zoom in if you save it. Not a fan of any scheme where it's 50/50 colour. I'm a sucker for a burnt orange so really like the Knights of Gryphonne.


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[Kenai]

Were there supplements for different sub factions of Elder and Chaos too? I am really interested in all these lesser known chapters.

I think only Space Marine factions ended up with proper supplement documents but I think other armies, such as Orks as one example I can think of, the Blood Axes got a few pages of extra rules in one of the Warzone Octarius books IIRC.

I find it all quite overwhelming to be honest and is one of the reasons i've not really progressed from painting to playing - there's just so much information absolutely everywhere, it seems to get updated via multiple different sources and it feels like if you're not spending a lot of time reading, you won't keep up with the latest balance sheets, rule updates, faction specific rules etc.

 

[azazl187]

I think only Space Marine factions ended up with proper supplement documents but I think other armies, such as Orks as one example I can think of, the Blood Axes got a few pages of extra rules in one of the Warzone Octarius books IIRC.

I find it all quite overwhelming to be honest and is one of the reasons i've not really progressed from painting to playing - there's just so much information absolutely everywhere, it seems to get updated via multiple different sources and it feels like if you're not spending a lot of time reading, you won't keep up with the latest balance sheets, rule updates, faction specific rules etc.

Try to look at it as such a huge universe that you are playing just one small part of it. Forgot about the whole cake, just take your piece of it

 

[Noxia]

I think only Space Marine factions ended up with proper supplement documents but I think other armies, such as Orks as one example I can think of, the Blood Axes got a few pages of extra rules in one of the Warzone Octarius books IIRC.

I find it all quite overwhelming to be honest and is one of the reasons i've not really progressed from painting to playing - there's just so much information absolutely everywhere, it seems to get updated via multiple different sources and it feels like if you're not spending a lot of time reading, you won't keep up with the latest balance sheets, rule updates, faction specific rules etc.

100% I get overwhelmed by the painting stuff but you've given me some good advice regarding that. Then there is the rules etc, anxiety about assembling models one way then finding out in 10E I can't actually use them. Grateful I found the club as I can play with and be taught by the experienced people who are always willing to help. First thing I need to do of course is get an army painted though I don't think they are strict on that. 10 is simplified too it seems compared to the others.

Thing is, someone could have a totally illegal army and I would be none the wiser

 

[PC777]

Finally totally finished one of my 20 space marine chapters for my illuminated display case plan, in so much as it's varnished, magnetised and finished the base too.
I was trying to freehand the chapter logo with terrible results so ended up buying some transfer sheets for cheap on Ebay this week so I could finish some up completely.

Paint is laid on too thick and could use more definition, highlights and weathering but it'll do for now. One disadvantage of doing these 20 chapters is that it's a new one each time for me, so I can't practise much. I had to paint over my terrible logo attempt on the shoulder so there is a lot of paint on the model in general that I'd make a lot thinner if doing it again.

I have about 11 other space marine models from different chapters done in varying stages of completion, been dragging on for ages, but now I have the transfers to avoid trying freehand. I was able to freehand rough Blood Ravens and Auora logos that I'll keep, but all others will be transfers to keep it a lot easier.

You can see where I store the alternative heads on a small magnet on the base that's helped kept in place by the grass tufts, on the bottom is a strong magnet so the whole model will stay in place, you can pose the heads in different directions too, so I'll be able to keep changing up the display when they're all done.

 

[Kenai]

Try to look at it as such a huge universe that you are playing just one small part of it. Forgot about the whole cake, just take your piece of it

It's not so much the size of the universe, it's just the fragmented way everything gets presented and updated.

For example, through 9th Edition, if I had been attempting to play a Necron army (had I got around to painting it yet ), I think I would have needed to keep up with the following things to ensure I was following the most up to date rules for them at any given time:

Original 9th Edition Rules
Necrons Codex
Balance Dataslate
Munitorium Field Manual
Several copies of White Dwarf Magazine
Power Rating Update

That's just the army level stuff, there is more if I had wanted to play a particular faction of Necrons.

 

[azazl187]

It's not so much the size of the universe, it's just the fragmented way everything gets presented and updated.

For example, through 9th Edition, if I had been attempting to play a Necron army (had I got around to painting it yet ), I think I would have needed to keep up with the following things to ensure I was following the most up to date rules for them at any given time:

Original 9th Edition Rules
Necrons Codex
Balance Dataslate
Munitorium Field Manual
Several copies of White Dwarf Magazine
Power Rating Update

That's just the army level stuff, there is more if I had wanted to play a particular faction of Necrons.

Yea I get that. I guess I tend not to be so upto date with the rules and regs and just play what I know. It's not like I'm going to end up in a world tournament or something

 

[Noxia]

@PC777 It looks better than the Blood Angel one you did a few posts back, not saying I can do any better btw, just commenting on the improvement.

 

[PardonTheWait]

Decided I will paint my Leviathan figures in white scars scheme

Do a test model! White armour is savage to paint

 

[Noxia]

Do a test model! White armour is savage to paint

I have heard this, also yellow apparantely.

Check out my second model, I done goofed and somehow got a gap on the right leg. Also stuck the left wing on my putrifier on wrong, means there is not a lot of room to get to the backpack to paint. Thought there was a big bit of excess sprue then on the torso but it was a bit of debris lol. Is it a good idea to dip these in IPA before I prime due to sweaty hands? or will that break down the glue.

 

[kindai]

Talking of gaps, the shoulder seem lines on the deathmarks are pretty horrid, previously id of used green stuff to fill those in, but I see liquid green stuff now available, or is there something better people use nowdays?

 

[Noxia]

Talking of gaps, the shoulder seem lines on the deathmarks are pretty horrid, previously id of used green stuff to fill those in, but I see liquid green stuff now available, or is there something better people use nowdays?

One common method is 'sprue glue', literally a bottle of liquid cement (like Tamija one in a bottle) put bits of plastic sprue in there and use it as a filler, sand down once dried. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH8xp0BJwQo

Or there is off the shelf like Milliput, but I think generic modelling putty works too, advantage of that is you can also use for texturing bases.

I'm going to try and fix the above with sprue glue.

 

[Dis86]

I'm by no means an expert on playing the game, as I don't play it, but I think where it says

UNIT COMPOSITION
■ 1 Plague Champion
■ 4-9 Plague Marines

This means anywhere between 5 and 10, not 5 or 10. Reaching multiples of 5 opens up more options in terms of how they can be equipped - in simplistic terms, they're allowed one 'special' weapon loadout per 5 models, so with 7, I think you can still only have one equipped with something other than a plague boltgun.

No. Its 5 or 10. Which sucks as its not lore accurate and the box also contains 7. Loads of complaints about it.

 

[Kenai]

No. Its 5 or 10. Which sucks as its not lore accurate and the box also contains 7. Loads of complaints about it.

So if you can't field 7, what does this refer to?

You can use this document to determine the points (pts) value of each unit in your army. Each entry lists the increments to a unit’s size that incur different points costs. This may change with the addition of each individual model (e.g. 1 model, 2models, 3 models, etc.) or it may be presented with a lower and upper limit to a unit’s Starting Strength (e.g. one cost for 5 models, another cost for 10 models). In the latter case, your units can contain a number of models in between these limits, but you must still pay the maximum points cost for a unit that starts the game with more than its minimum number of models. You can learn more about using points to muster your army on pages 55-56 of the Core Rules.

Evidently i'm misunderstanding but to me that makes it sound like you can field 7 but in terms of your points, you'd be treating it as 10.

 

[Dis86]

So if you can't field 7, what does this refer to?



Evidently i'm misunderstanding but to me that makes it sound like you can field 7 but in terms of your points, you'd be treating it as 10.

Going to go have another read now. There's been loads of vids and complaints etc. over it though as there are instances where units can't use their own transports due to the number of models vs capacity.

 

[Noxia]

I think you can field 7 but you are then paying 100% points for having 10 but with 70% of the units. Quite a lot of the language seems a bit ambiguous.
Pain in the arse trying to assemble these to fit in with 10th gen too. A couple of the assembled models are actually not legal if you had to play to match equipped parts.

 

[Kenai]

There are also comments on the example datasheets in the rule book that imply you can have odd numbers between limits:

If this unit contains 9 or fewer models, 1 Space Marine’s boltgun can be replaced with one of the following:
◦ 1 weapon from the Heavy Weapons list.
◦ 1 weapon from the Special Weapons list.
If this unit contains 10 models, 1 Space Marine’s boltgun can be replaced with 1 weapon from the Special Weapons list.
If this unit contains 10 models, 1 Space Marine’s boltgun can be replaced with 1 weapon from the Heavy Weapons list.

If you could only field 5 or 10, then it makes no sense to describe an option for a unit of '9 or fewer', you'd just say 'If this unit contains 5 models'?

Either way, it's at least not as bad as the Soul Wars AOS box set, where you don't get enough models to even make up minimum unit sizes

I think you can field 7 but you are then paying 100% points for having 10 but with 70% of the units.

That's how i'm reading it - you can field 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 but you'll using up the full 200pts unit cost on your roster to do it - so for 7 it might not be worth it, compared to fielding 5 at 100pts and being able to use 100pts on something else instead of the 2 extra Plague Marines.

 

[Cantankerous]

Here is a cool illustration of some of the chapters and their colour schemes, should be able to zoom in if you save it. Not a fan of any scheme where it's 50/50 colour. I'm a sucker for a burnt orange so really like the Knights of Gryphonne.


link image to website html

That's a good compilation and I love how it's a mix of the old (not updated) and new ones. Also noticed the Retributors are now listed as an Imp Fists successor. I know the creator works for GW now but that's very cool if true but not sure how official it is. They're the ones from Astartes, the YT shorts.

I'm way out of date with lore and things though.

 

[Dis86]

@Kenai unit composition on the gw app reads as follows;

1 plague champion
4-9 plague marines

1 plague champion, 4 plague marines 100pts

1 plague champion, 5-9 plague marines 200pts.

So you're Bob on for them

 

[Dis86]

Cadian shock troops however are:

1 shock trooper sergeant and 9 shock troopers OR 1 shock trooper sergeant and 19 shock troopers.