*** The 2010 Gym Rats Thread ***

dun said:
Yeah, some of the top tier lads were seriously training and taking their supplements by the time they were 15 so even starting training at 19 I was way behind. Oh well you are never too old :D
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Indeed - If you keep the way you are by the time you hit 30 you'll be monsterous! :D By the time you get there I'll have to be on HRT no doubt :o :p
 
cavonia said:
Some people can train hard for years and still not show a massive improvement as it also has a lot to do with genes etc.
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Complete tripe.

Sure, genetics will play SOME role in your shape and your genetic potential. However seldom anyone ever gets close to their potential. You can still make dramatic changes to your body and composition no matter what your genetic structure is like.

It's about how you train, what you eat, and your lifestyle.

There are no excuses for 99% of people.
 
Indeed. Diet and lifestyle are the major contributing factor. Clearly damaging your muscles is also important for muscle growth, but it takes all the factors. You could be the most genetically lucky person, without hard work and a good regime you'll get nowhere.
 
It does make me go :confused: when you see people not training legs or add big compound lifts to their work outs. However, I can smugly know in the back of my mind that I'm better well rounded and developed than them :D
 
For bodybuilding, absolutely, it's all about size, shape and definition. :)

For me though, size is nothing without power & strength. All show and no go is rather daft for me. However that's why people have different goals. :) I'd rather be slim as I am now but strong, than 2st heavier and just as strong as I am now.
 
cavonia said:
I disagree as some people will never be what they want to be no matter how hard they train or what they eat. If you aint got the right genetical make up you won't get the shape / size you want. You might get close but not close enough in some cases.
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Which ties in hand in hand with what I was saying. That genetics have sod all to do about it, and that it's all in your mind. Mental workout is just as much a part as weight training. The fact is (and this is basic science/biology) that anyone can pack on size - you'll never be a mass monster without gear for certain, and even the biggest natural's take their dedication beyond the realms of feasibility for 99% of the population.

I know I'll never achieve where I want to be, heck I never thought I'd be where I am now. But it strives me to want more.

2 people from 2 different gene pools can achieve the same goals, look different, but that's normal, everyone looks different, but EVERYONE can pack on an extra lean muscle. Most people DON'T because they don't train properly, eat properly, and give up after a couple of years.

People use "metabolism" and "genetics" as an excuse for lack of training, lack of dedication and to mitigate their own failures. Disagree all you like, but the fact is in this case it's purely down to the fact you are wrong. What you are saying is erroneous.
 
Sure, if a wirey small framed boy wants to hit the size of Coleman it's never going to happen even with gear. However, he can pack on a heck amount of muscle - sure he'll never be as big as he wants to be, as you say that's genetics, BUT your statement originally made was that some people can't put on muscle or pack on size no matter how hard they train. That, my friend, is a lot of tripe.

Furthermore, I think you're wrong about the people on here. A lot of people have made awesome progress. Remember that this is generally speaking a computer hardware forum, and we have some chaps here who are at an incredibly good level of a) strength b) ability c) have achieved some incredible results.

I'm not going to sit here and have you lambast and downplay the awesome achievements people have made here. I honestly think that people here are WAY above average, considering this is not a dedicated BB forum. Furthermore, these guys in a BB forum would be very well placed as they are way above average. Frankly, your attitude stinks, as does your knowledge.
 
BennyC said:
This is not a fact. And pritty much where your argument ****s all over it's own face.
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Indeed.

Unless you have some sort of genetic disorder upon which your body is eating its muscle for fuel or attacking it and breaking it down.

You're alive and able to move around, jump, run, crouch, stand up. So you have muscle. You body has built muscle and it can build more.
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Yup - it's a natural defence mechanism of cells, to multiply and increase to prevent the same impact/damage from occurring again. Basic science/biology. Hence why we build more muscle, it rips, tears and gets destroyed, and has to build more to stop it happening again.

The people you have seen eat well and train hard must have needed to eat more and change their training and train even harder! If you get the elements nailed (which they clearly weren't if they didn't progress) there is no reason not to progress. End of.
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Indeed, or if they miraculously changed quickly over a small period of time, I'd suggest some illegal supplementation. ;)

Edit: From the Dorian Yates video. He mentions if you're benching 60KG x 10 x 3 and 2 years down the line still benching 60KG x 10 x3 but 10lbs heavier you've put on 10lbs of fat. You'd be doing somethig wrong wether it be nutrition, training or rest.
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I'd extend this further. Walk into a gym, and see someone benching 60kg, and go back a year later, and if that person is still benching 60kg, he's not training properly.

dun said:
Hes just mad his mates were on gear years ago and wouldn't tell him where to get some :p
I don't know why I bother keep saying it but 200lb (+5-10 absolute max) stage weight at 6ft and you are absolutely insanely high caliber. Now we have guys way over that weight but holding their share of bodyfat and we have ripped guys a fair way under that weight. All are working towards their own personal goals and look much better than the average man on the street.
Eurgh....
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Exactly everyone has their own goals - but everyone can improve their body significantly with a bit of effort. :)



Carvonia, sorry we got off on the wrong foot. You are entitled to disagree, but some of the things you are saying just aren't accurate or correct.

Apology accepted re: putting people down here. Thank you. :)

I will never get to where I want to be - that's what drives me to keep at it, as long as I'm improving myself, that's all that matters. :) So as long as people are getting closer to their goals surely that's progress no?
 
True. However, whilst I disagree with some people on here, and agree with others, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, I'm happy to be challenged. :) I think maybe the way you expressed your view point or the actual point you were making was a little confusing maybe?
 
I've just had my BF and measurements done again, and I've dropped over 1.5%BF, chest, shoulder and arm measurements have increased, waist has gone down almost an inch (just touching 36"), and I've dropped 1kg. So I'm doing something right. My strength is back up too. So I've dropped fat, gained some muscle, lost weight but gained size. It's all good baby!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
With any pulling motion be sure to arch your lower back, and lock it out it engages the lats more that way (which is a very strong muscle group). However from that angle it looks good, nice controlled negative, good solid lifting, no cheating. Good stuff. It's one of my favourite back exercises. :)
 
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