The Air Rifles & Pistols thread

ianh · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:26

Any thoughts on what you'd want to start with for a first PCP? The AirArms 400 is pretty good rifle for a relatively cheap price but if you fancy spending a bit more the HW100 or BSA R10Mk3 are great, unless you want to spend uber money and go with a Daystate!

Zenduri · 24 Aug 2014 at 18:19

Im tempted by the R10 Mk2 at the moment. the HW100 S FSB/ R10 Mk2 Shrouded and Daystate Huntman Regal are all in my price bracket at the moment (killing it on overtime currently).

I've had the chance to shoot with an AirArms S200 and S400 and a BSA R10 Mk1 so far and the BSA really stood out for me so far

wazza300 · 24 Aug 2014 at 18:21

cainer said:
i had an original as a kid, i always thought it was called a dyna original, but google searches only come up with a diana original, tbh it was so long ago i cant remember what it looked like so image searching is no good

no its not a Diana,i know those tho,its german I think just original

ill try and upload a pic later

EDIT: ohh dyna never heard of those but it doesn't say that on the barrel

Amidar · 24 Aug 2014 at 20:01

Original/Diana are the same company as far as I know.

Luke · 24 Aug 2014 at 21:25

ianh said:
BSA R10Mk3 are great,

Mk2, there is no Mk3 as yet.

G|mp · 24 Aug 2014 at 21:42

Luke I dropped you an email, can you check if you received it?

Luke · 24 Aug 2014 at 22:50

I shall check now.

ianh · 24 Aug 2014 at 23:02

Luke said:
Mk2, there is no Mk3 as yet.

Ah still thinking of the S10 mk3 I had, Doh!

SimonCHere · 26 Aug 2014 at 09:07

"Original" air rifles are pretty old but still pretty good. I had an Original model 50 which was an under leaver tap loader. Low powered when I had it (~8pfe) but really accurate.

The BSA Supersport is a fine rifle if it's in OK condition.

Zenduri · 27 Aug 2014 at 22:12

Well with the help of a chap from the range we took the Airsporter apart this evening and to be honest it was going very well and everything is surprisingly well lubed with the factory grease still and minimal wear until we got to the piston head.

The leather piston ring was mashed to pieces and embedded within the leather were in total 4 metal .22 darts from something like a Gat with plastic rears mashed into the leather. it would seem my braincell devoid cousin when he had his hands on this has tried feeding darts into it and has somehow managed to get them to go backwards into the piston head which had then forced them and compressed them into the leather. Luckily there is no damage to the metal part of the head or the piston casing, but needless to say i've already sent the warning via my father than my cousin is under no circumstances to come anywhere near me unless he wants to lose a few teeth,

The Airsporter was never his to mess about with and on top of him knackering the bluing we then find this I'm not a happy camper.

Aside from that all it appears to need is a new spring as the current one is buckled (replacing for a comparable spring not upscaling) a new leather piston washer and an overall clean, re-greasing, stock tidying up and re bluing and all is good. So not as bad as thought.

Gave part of the stock a 5 minute work over with Meths and 0000 wire wool to see how it would come up and you can see it below.

HUGE photo dumpclick the link to IMGUR
http://imgur.com/a/WhrQN/all

After 5 mins with some meths and 0000 wool as a tester

Need to find a plug for this too, anyone know where i can find one as TWChambers don't have them, I also need a replacement front site as this ones a bit manky and a foresight hood too, again out of stock at Chambers

scorchisio · 28 Aug 2014 at 00:41

HybridX said:
Well with the help of a chap from the range we took the Airsporter apart this evening and to be honest it was going very well and everything is surprisingly well lubed with the factory grease still and minimal wear until we got to the piston head.

The leather piston ring was mashed to pieces and embedded within the leather were in total 4 metal .22 darts from something like a Gat with plastic rears mashed into the leather. it would seem my braincell devoid cousin when he had his hands on this has tried feeding darts into it and has somehow managed to get them to go backwards into the piston head which had then forced them and compressed them into the leather. Luckily there is no damage to the metal part of the head or the piston casing, but needless to say i've already sent the warning via my father than my cousin is under no circumstances to come anywhere near me unless he wants to lose a few teeth,

The Airsporter was never his to mess about with and on top of him knackering the bluing we then find this I'm not a happy camper.

Aside from that all it appears to need is a new spring as the current one is buckled (replacing for a comparable spring not upscaling) a new leather piston washer and an overall clean, re-greasing, stock tidying up and re bluing and all is good. So not as bad as thought.

Gave part of the stock a 5 minute work over with Meths and 0000 wire wool to see how it would come up and you can see it below.

HUGE photo dumpclick the link to IMGUR
http://imgur.com/a/WhrQN/all

After 5 mins with some meths and 0000 wool as a tester

Need to find a plug for this too, anyone know where i can find one as TWChambers don't have them, I also need a replacement front site as this ones a bit manky and a foresight hood too, again out of stock at Chambers

i dont condone the losing teeth comment mate were better people than that on these boards here. And especially if you like shooting its the worst image you could portray coming across as a thug! its hard enough as it is to get the majority to accept the sport without comments like that. very bad form

Zenduri · 28 Aug 2014 at 01:30

scorchisio said:
i dont condone the losing teeth comment mate were better people than that on these boards here. And especially if you like shooting its the worst image you could portray coming across as a thug! its hard enough as it is to get the majority to accept the sport without comments like that. very bad form

......really you had to make that post when it's clearly said as a means to gauge how upset i am about him mistreating it.

I am courteous, honorable shooter with a good attitude to shooting. Christ if I was some angry mental nut job the committee at my range wouldn't have gave me my membership nor the Keys to the range security and sound doors. Not only that but one of the committee members wouldn't have picked me up, took me to his house in his gun room and spent almost 3 hours helping me dismantle the air rifle and teach and guide me through restoring and servicing it.

Rybo89 · 12 Sep 2014 at 17:06

Got my mate to properly sand down the whole rifle and give it a blast of paint.

I was a fan of the original wood stock but it looked tatty and all the metal had gone tatty with it. Just left my mate to do what he wanted with it.

Impressed with the outcome, looks deadly

Zenduri · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:06

Rybo89 said:
Got my mate to properly sand down the whole rifle and give it a blast of paint.

I was a fan of the original wood stock but it looked tatty and all the metal had gone tatty with it. Just left my mate to do what he wanted with it.

Impressed with the outcome, looks deadly

What rifle is it?

I've been working on mine and cleaned up the stock ready (for oiling) and the trigger block to prep it for painting.

Washed the stock down as well to give me an idea of the final colour/grain once its oiled.

Before (One on the right):

Original Finish on stock removed:

Washed down:

Trigger Block:

Mark A · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:24

Wow! That's going to look great once finished. You could get the metal blued, not sure of the cost but could be worth it if it has sentimental value. Or have a go at bluing it yourself if you have the time and patience.

Zenduri · 13 Sep 2014 at 00:45

Mark A said:
Wow! That's going to look great once finished. You could get the metal blued, not sure of the cost but could be worth it if it has sentimental value. Or have a go at bluing it yourself if you have the time and patience.

Barrel/piston housing is being sent to a chap in Manchester to be hot blued for £65. From what i read hes the godfather of Bluing air rifles for about 20 years. The trigger block will need to be painted as its Aluminum so wont take the bluing

Rybo89 · 13 Sep 2014 at 19:16

HybridX said:
What rifle is it?

Its a Cometa, had it about 15 years. Refurbished it last year as it was buggered after spending 10 years in a leaky shed.

Shoots beautifully now, infact i have just got back from Woodend Farm Complex near mansfield and very impressed with how accurate and precise the rifle is.

The scope needs replacing though (reason why i am back in this thread). Can anyone recommend a decent-ish scope for about £30?

Mark A · 13 Sep 2014 at 20:31

HybridX said:
Barrel/piston housing is being sent to a chap in Manchester to be hot blued for £65. From what i read hes the godfather of Bluing air rifles for about 20 years. The trigger block will need to be painted as its Aluminum so wont take the bluing

Think I know the guy you mean. Seems a shame to have a painted part next to the beautifully blued action. I wonder what it would look like with the trigger block simply polished up?

If you do go the paint route then i'd use an etch primer. I tried painting my alu volumetric silencer after someone on the airgun BBs assured me that you dont need an etch primer and as I suspected would happen the paint just flaked off. Stripped it all back again and did it again with a few coats of black self etching primer as a base and it is still looking good today.

Zenduri · 14 Sep 2014 at 16:28

Mark A said:
Think I know the guy you mean. Seems a shame to have a painted part next to the beautifully blued action. I wonder what it would look like with the trigger block simply polished up?

If you do go the paint route then i'd use an etch primer. I tried painting my alu volumetric silencer after someone on the airgun BBs assured me that you dont need an etch primer and as I suspected would happen the paint just flaked off. Stripped it all back again and did it again with a few coats of black self etching primer as a base and it is still looking good today.

It looks out of place and awful left silver. i've seen a re-furbed Airsporter mk2 with the trigger block painted up and it looks nice. i might have a look at the etching primer. I'm trying to go as original as i can hence im using another leather piston ring rather than the plastic one and O-ring. I'm even contemplating getting the original writing photo etched onto it

Zenduri · 14 Sep 2014 at 16:36

Also side note today.

One of the chaps down the range brought down a spring rifle which has a "powered cocking". It;s called a Browning or Rutten Airstar You press a button in the trigger guard and an internal screw turns via a little electric motor and it winds a guide on a rail which compresses the spring, load it via a top loading chamber. Press the button again which turns a red light on to shows it off safe then pull the trigger to fire.

Its so unreal its so much fun to shoot. He also brought down a proper target pistol but this one has an adjuster screw that means you can fire rapid fire with this target pistol or if you crank the screw enough it fires full auto 5 pellets.

Had a go with both, they are quite rare apparently and they are TONNES of fun!