Poll: ***The all new gymrats thread***
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yep, sounds rite. I can get similar proportions, a bit less weight tho.
this does depends however on the angle of the press. the bigger the angle, the more you lift.
By the bigger angle, do you mean negative? so your effectively below the weight, pushing it upwards? Thinking about it, you cant really push weight down
i stopped going to my gym after xmas as I had just moved and couldn't find the time as i had to decorate as I am expecting to be a dad again soon. i have been working out at home but its never the same is it.
anyone here find it hard to motivate yourself to rejoin a gym after you had left for a while
anyone here find it hard to motivate yourself to rejoin a gym after you had left for a while
By the bigger angle, do you mean negative? so your effectively below the weight, pushing it upwards? Thinking about it, you cant really push weight down
Yes you can, 1 example.... tricep PUSHDOWNs ;]
By angle I was thinking about the angle that your legs make with the ground while you're pushing.
a 30 degree angle means you're only pushing 1/3 of the actual weight on the machine (well a bit more, if we also consider friction), a 45 degree angle makes you push about half. a 90 degree angle would mean literally having a bar on your perpendicular feet while sitting with your back on the ground, and pushing every bit of it.
a 30 degree angle means you're only pushing 1/3 of the actual weight on the machine (well a bit more, if we also consider friction), a 45 degree angle makes you push about half. a 90 degree angle would mean literally having a bar on your perpendicular feet while sitting with your back on the ground, and pushing every bit of it.
The bars being pushed down, and the weights being lifted UP by the series of cables, no? A pushdown is more or less the same thing as lying on a bench with a barbell and pushing it towards the ceiling, pivoting at the elbows, the same for french press. Pushdowns with ropes, bars and handles surely is just this standing. I think what im trying to say is weight is either pushed or pulled up?
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The bars being pushed down, and the weights being lifted UP by the series of cables, no? A pushdown is more or less the same thing as lying on a bench with a barbell and pushing it towards the ceiling, pivoting at the elbows, the same for french press. Pushdowns with ropes, bars and handles surely is just this standing. I think what im trying to say is weight is either pushed or pulled up?
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Well..the weight is moving in an upwards motion yes....But to get it up you have to push 'down' theoretically.
yeah, so technically your pushing the weight up, well the bar down and the weight moves up. Pushing weight down wouldn't be beneficial because of gravity and if the weight could be pushed down it'd already be on the floor? Don't know if that makes sense but hopefully someone can see what im getting at!
If not we'll have to agree to disagree!
yeah, so technically your pushing the weight up, well the bar down and the weight moves up. Pushing weight down wouldn't be beneficial because of gravity and if the weight could be pushed down it'd already be on the floor? Don't know if that makes sense but hopefully someone can see what im getting at!
If not we'll have to agree to disagree!
But then you would be pulling the weight up and down....with the use of a pulley like system you are effectively pushing the weight down, as there is a negative effect so the weight brings itself back up
had a decent chest session today. 
Bench press:
10x 50
10x 60
8 x 70
7 x 80
Incline dumbbell press:
10 x 20
10 x 24
8 x 28
7 x 32
And peck deck flies:
10 x 40
10 x 50
10 x 60
8 x 70
very happy with replacing the dumbbell flies with the machine ones as my shoulders no longer feel like coming off their sockets.
Bench press:
10x 50
10x 60
8 x 70
7 x 80
Incline dumbbell press:
10 x 20
10 x 24
8 x 28
7 x 32
And peck deck flies:
10 x 40
10 x 50
10 x 60
8 x 70
very happy with replacing the dumbbell flies with the machine ones as my shoulders no longer feel like coming off their sockets.
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Still, the pec deck is an abomination of a machine :/
Yeah the one in my gym doesn't feel like it's doing anything for you, for chest I do bench press (on smith or dumbells) then dumbell flies then cable flies. Would using dumbells for bench press be better than smith machine?
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I've never used a smith myself but I think the general view is freeweights always better than smith as you have to stablise weight yourself.
I can bench 80kg (free) but with DBs only manage 15kg + handles but I usually only do DBs on incline - not sure why such a big difference
I can bench 80kg (free) but with DBs only manage 15kg + handles but I usually only do DBs on incline - not sure why such a big difference
Do a few sets of both.....use the smith machine to get the weight up....then a few sets of dumbells to failure. Best of both worlds.
that's weird, I notice that on my friends as well.
I've got a mate who can do 80 for 8 reps, while I'm struggling for 5, yet when it comes to incline dumbbell press, well he struggles for 26 more than I struggle for 32.
probably because of the stabilizers.
smith=zero stabilizers involved
barbell= quite a bit of stabilizers
dumbbell= a lot of stabilizers involved
I've got a mate who can do 80 for 8 reps, while I'm struggling for 5, yet when it comes to incline dumbbell press, well he struggles for 26 more than I struggle for 32.
probably because of the stabilizers.
smith=zero stabilizers involved
barbell= quite a bit of stabilizers
dumbbell= a lot of stabilizers involved
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