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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. humbug

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    You get it on all sides.

    On a side note HUB made a video a couple of days ago, one he wouldn't normally make but it was so prevalent he decided to address it, a lot of people responded to his '1600 vs 7600K two years on' video said it was a paid AMD video or that he was shilling for AMD because in the video the 1600 was clearly "the better gaming CPU" i mean he predicted this would happen two years ago, its also why i made that choice as i could see it already in my 4690K, to me it just goes to show how stupid people can be, as he pointed out Ryzen was not Bulldozer and had vastly more CPU resources than the 7600K, it was almost inevitable to happen with subsequent games.
     
  2. Panos

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    LITE are low power for consoles etc.
    M is mobile
    P performance.

    10/20/40 are the CUs.

    And just because lets speculate, NV_NAVI21_LITE_P_A0 = Spectre? :confused:
     
  3. 4K8KW10

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    How can it be AMD-sponsored when a simple quad-core without HT isn't good enough anymore?! :confused:

     
  4. FoxEye

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    The real issue is that AMD have had an inferior architecture for a decade. And still do.

    You can't blame punters for seeing what's in front of them, and not touching it with a 10' pole.

    Or you can, but then everyone else gets to see your AMD campaign medals proudly pinned to your bosom.
     
  5. Zernath

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    When it comes to graphics cards, punters tend to plonk their cash down without much thought. Why do you think we now have cards priced at more than £1,000?
     
  6. FoxEye

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    The vast, vast majority aren't buying those...
     
  7. 4K8KW10

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    Yes but it takes a decade time for this kind of performance to reach the vast majority of the masses.
     
  8. FoxEye

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    All I was saying is that we all recognise nVidia has had the superior architecture for a long, long time now. So why blame punters for not buying AMD?

    AMD in the graphics space have been the architects of their own downfall. They've also many times shot themselves in the foot with their marketing. We all know this.

    So why blame punters for acting rationally and avoiding AMD GPUs?
     
  9. Zernath

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    True, but when you set the upper limits so high, then everything else moves up a notch. When something is normalised, then perceptions change.

    I remember buying the GeForce 9800 GX2 back in '08, which was retailing at around £435 (around £570 today if you account for inflation), and if I remember correctly it was one of the fastest cards on the market at that time. Fast forward 11 years, and the fastest card on the market today will set you back close to £1,000 or higher!
     
  10. Panos

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    What are you smoking? AMD has competitive cards and prices on anything except the halo product.
    Or you want people buy more GTX1650?
     
  11. FoxEye

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    I said AMD had the inferior architecture for a long time. And still do.

    Are you disputing that?

    Would you like to claim that AMD's architecture is at least on terms with nVidia's architecture? Yes?
     
  12. Panos

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    Nvidia has superior architecture on what? DX11 only?
    How about DX12, Async Compute and Vulcan? Even TimeSpy has special pipeline optimization to run on Nvidia cards without showing poor performance. Something that cannot be hidden in games even today with Turing. Have you seen the abysmal performance of the 2080Ti in Vulcan games?
    That's the superior architecture? Cutting corners like Intel does, albeit the latter allowing security holes because is CPU?
     
  13. hyperseven

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    mmmm, whats that standard DX12 benchmark? Ah yes Timespy, which cards dominate? 'special optimisation' more like Panos clutching at straws again... :p
     
  14. greatash

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    I think hes right, cards that are usually terrible at DX12/Async like Maxwell/Pascal cards keep up with their AMD counterparts even though they fall leagues behind in proper DX12/Vulkan games.
    DX12/Vulkan would have been more widely adopted YEARS ago if Nvidia had proper support for it, no point making games for DX12/Vulkan when 80% of the market doesn't benefit from it. AMD had been pushing for better APIs since 2013 with Mantle/BF4 (Which actually doubled my minimum framerates on a 2500k/7950) but it went nowhere...
     
  15. FoxEye

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    In terms of perf/watt and perf/transistor, nVidia has a massive lead over AMD. Ergo, superior architecture. It's not hard, Panos.
     
  16. hyperseven

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    what like this 'proper' Vulkan game :confused:

    [​IMG]

    Here's me thinking the 1080Ti was Pascal....
     
  17. CAT-THE-FIFTH

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    A bit surprising those results,also considering Vega also is somewhat broken at a hardware level(features that never really worked).

    My GTX1080 equals a Vega 56, and that is with the load balancing which Maxwell lacks(Pascal uses this to stop stalling on async workloads) so with Vulkan it does seem to be not running as well as DX11. Also the Radeon VII is normally close to GTX1080TI level performance and its an overclocked Vega 64(with a slight reduction in compute units) on 7NM.

    The GTX970 is doing very poorly compared to the R9 390,and AMD Hawaii is an older generation GPU. Shame Hawaii was the last time AMD actually really had a knockout GPU.
     
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  18. Bluntwrapped

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    I’d quite like to see some variation in the AMD cards - different coolers, clocks and what not from various manufacturers.

    None of the recent AMD cards are particularly eye catching. While I appreciate it is form over function, something that looks like it should’ve launched 10 years ago doesn't help.
     
  19. Illuminist

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    AMD Navi RDNA specs
    That 7nm Navi 10 GPU is the first RDNA-based graphics chip, and the full core – used by the RX 5700 XT – comes with 40 compute units, and therefore 2,560 cores across two shader engines, with 64 render output units, and 160 texture units. It’s 251mm2 and has a full 10.3bn transistors inside it. Navi has a GDDR6 memory controller, though is compatible with HBM if needed, and has PCIe 4.0 support too.
     
  20. Poneros

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    If you had read the article, you'd have known those were done without game drivers for AMD. ;)