bingo! it really is warped logic.
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** The AMD Navi Thread **
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bingo! it really is warped logic.
Soldato
Said it before, will say it again, people want to see AMD fail and it absolutely baffles me. If AMD produce something 5% slower but 25% cheaper it's a failure. If they bring something ou that's 5% faster but more expensive it's a failure. If they bring something exactly equal it's a failure because it doesn't support X Y and Z proprietary technologies.
People should want competition, people should not lock themselves into a company to be taken advantage of be it AMD, Intel or Nvidia. I just don't get it.
Caporegime
here here...
I used to expect that, but that was like nearly 10 years ago. I would not upgrade until there was around 100% improvement. These days Nvidia offer 20-30% improvement and want silly money’s for it.
Correct, i also think that the people saying exactly that are also the ones that want AMD to be competitive just to drive down Nvidia Prices. baffles me. .
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People expect to much of AMD and navi, if it reaches 1080 speed plus and at a good price then that is not so bad. I find it strange how people want 2080ti speed but for 25% of the price from AMD lol anything less and AMD are a failure.
far from a failure they have secured both next gen consoles. from that with key board and mouse support and Nvidia pricing a lot of gamers out of PC gaming will jump to consoles. Nvidia are looking like PC GPU's will not be there main focus
in coming years. developers will code games for consoles using AMD tech and PC games or ports of them games should run much better on AMD hardware.
Very few PC gamers buy high end hardware, and even fewer buy 1500 quid GFX cards, AMD might have the better outlook buy targeting the mid range gamer where they will sell more cards, if the consoles coming are real good then a lot
of those will go that way to.
I would say it looks worse for nvidia than AMD at the moment, AMD have ryzen 3000 about to land, with navi round the corner, intel have GPU's in development as well. yes nvidia have the speed crown in the RTX titan and 2080ti but that is only a few percent of the market, with sales falling and share holders unhappy. CEO under pressure.
AMD are looking good even if navi isn't a giant killer.
far from a failure they have secured both next gen consoles. from that with key board and mouse support and Nvidia pricing a lot of gamers out of PC gaming will jump to consoles. Nvidia are looking like PC GPU's will not be there main focus
in coming years. developers will code games for consoles using AMD tech and PC games or ports of them games should run much better on AMD hardware.
Very few PC gamers buy high end hardware, and even fewer buy 1500 quid GFX cards, AMD might have the better outlook buy targeting the mid range gamer where they will sell more cards, if the consoles coming are real good then a lot
of those will go that way to.
I would say it looks worse for nvidia than AMD at the moment, AMD have ryzen 3000 about to land, with navi round the corner, intel have GPU's in development as well. yes nvidia have the speed crown in the RTX titan and 2080ti but that is only a few percent of the market, with sales falling and share holders unhappy. CEO under pressure.
AMD are looking good even if navi isn't a giant killer.
Caporegime
When was the last time AMD produced something 5% slower and 25% cheaper? Or for that matter 5% faster and more expensive?
About 10 years ago?
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The 580 has generally been around 25% cheaper than the 6gb 1060 post mining and the 570 (10-15% slower depending on game) is about 25% cheaper than the 580
Vega 56 is 8% faster than the 1660ti while price matching and it near enough matches the 2060 while being around 20% cheaper.
Well it's the same as the Amd loyalists saying that it doesn't matter if Amd aren't competitive at the high end as long as they are priced fairly.
It makes me laugh because when Vega launched and then remained at it's high price, Nvidia was then cheaper or near the same price and offering better value from the Gp106 and Gp104. Now with the eol vega/polaris prices that we've had for a few months, Vega56/64 and polaris gets recommended again.
Radeon VII shows that people are still willing to part with money for what I consider poor performance/value. But then the defense line will be but Nvidia prices their Rtx2080 at that so it makes it all ok for Amd to do so too.
Yet it was pricing of the 1080ti that probably stopped that person from buying the same performance/value almost 2 years ago, so where is the value in the VII 2 years on.
Soldato
Radeon 7 was the same price as the 2080 and about the same performance, depending on game and it was slated. It's now a little bit faster and it's still slated.
where where?
Probably because it should have been ahead of the 2070 performance from day one as it was released months after, not on par.
Will be the same situation if Navi turns out to be the same but lets hope not. Don't want AMD to always play catch up.
Soldato
Nope it wasn't 25% cheaper, it was equal performance at equal price which I also mentioned and people still slated it.
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I think the problem is (at least I certainly feel this) that many people are waiting for a mainstream GPU product to drive ultra 4K @80+ fps and we we've been waiting a bloody long time. Its not that anyone wants AMD to fail its just the threshold for failure is low. Is Navi going to challenge the nvidia 1080 performance/price bracket? That's a product now 3yrs old. If they were to release something 5% faster than the 2080Ti at a higher price point no one wants that.
Basically what we as consumers need is market disruption in the discrete GPU sector and people look to AMD for that and judge them against that rightly or wrongly.
Soldato
And yet when it's suggested that Navi will do exactly that it's laughed out of the building.
Soldato
That is not solely AMD's fault and obviously it's not like they are not trying to compete. The markets they compete in are extremely costly and they are up against 2 separate companies which have much more financial muscle than they have.
It's becoming harder and harder to improve performance by the same kinds of gains we are used to and it's becoming more expensive to manufacture and develop the technologies too. Nvidia can afford these costs a lot better than AMD can so hopefully when Intel's Arctic Sound launches it'll be competitive.
Soldato
4870 $299 launch price vs nVidia GTX 260 at $399. Matched the GTX260, nVidia had to respond with huge price drops on it's cards.
But that was like 10 years ago now.