December 2018 would be pretty good considering 7nm only starts mass manufacturing at GloFo in 2H 2018. AMD will also have Zen 2 ready which they may prioritise over Navi as well, AMD's manufacturing capacity at GloFo will be heavily contended over those two products.
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** The AMD Navi Thread **
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December 2018 would be pretty good considering 7nm only starts mass manufacturing at GloFo in 2H 2018. AMD will also have Zen 2 ready which they may prioritise over Navi as well, AMD's manufacturing capacity at GloFo will be heavily contended over those two products.
Navi should be 2018/19 and it's designed by a different team to the ones who designed Vega, most likely the ones who designed Polaris as they were both designed around the same time but Polaris entered the market a year earlier.
It's interesting because being on 7nm they should have the node advantage over Volta which will most likely be 12nm like the V100. I think because of that they should be able to compete relatively well with each other.
Tsmc is ahead of GF in getting to working 7nm
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Other than a GPU to play all current games on the market at 4k over 60fps, what we need more than new hardware are games to start taking advantage of Vulkan and DX12 and start taking advantage of the current hardware on offer.
This, I'll bin my freesync monitor (LG 34UC98) and vega
Don't worry, Raja himself built Navi from the ground up. Poor Volta!
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Oh god no not another thread which will be full of nonsense for over a year.
This thread did come a little early, there are not even any official slides or anything about Navi yet.
I will blame poor Vega. If it was better people would be concentrating on that instead of thinking about Navi
I heard they were but only slightly. It works to AMD's advantage anyway since they can manufacture Zen2/Navi on their 7nm process if GloFo does not have the capacity for both.
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Potentially. One would hope that the reason why Vega is bad, is because AMD put most of these people into working on Navi. Of course that's just wishful thinking, now we're left wondering if AMD has any extra people for a 2nd team, to be working on Navi this whole time, at all?
Looking by the offerings and the exponential increase in GPU grunt required for the higher resolutions and newer games, I don't see things getting any better. Especially with Nvidia's approach, 'if we ain't beaten, don't release new GPUs'. I've seen far too many posts like "PC gaming is getting ridiculous with hardware pricing, I'm switching over to consoles," in all sorts of places. I honestly don't blame them. Let's just be glad that at least we can manage 1080p60 consistently on PC for a decent cost.
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Well on about gpu grunt, im still trying to get it through my head, work it out wtf amd were thinking when they did that sticker thing of poor volta. Is there something we dont know about vega or something we dont know about navi. Or do they know something about volta. But for anything i would have expected the poor volta with a navi advert.
Both seem to BSing investors a bit in regard to schedules, etc. currently it looks like TSMC is a little ahead on mobile 7nm and both are about as close as makes no real odds on high performance.
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Maybe they just mean poor people will buy volta because AMD plan on hiking prices for navi even more
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Its nvidia, poor people will be pushing there noses up at the glass, steaming it up as they wonder what it can do. as for amd pushing the prices up, just cos this sep thing is kicking off dont mean they are suddenly nvidia and intel clones.
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Yeah, it pretty much does right now. Whether they choose to rectify this going forwards is anyone's guess. They said they would make more of the £450 cards available too but that doesn't seem to be happening.
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Time will tell on that front, no point shooting the horse if its only got a dead leg and all that. I can see the main amd body just taking the hit if its below costs for reputational reasons alone and let threadripper and ryzen shine. But if anything this should ensure that navi is done right. There is no way that the main amd group will let radeon mess up like this again, espec with such a big change as navi. Also suspect vega itself will get sorted quick smart, faster then it would have normally done just to help with some of the damage.
In a funny way whats going on right now could be the best thing that happened to amd, because radeon cannot mess up like this and get away with it, before when they were keeping amd afloat they had breathing room. Now amd are back there are no excuses.
Will we be seeing 8 gig of VRAM on these or more? Surely these will be proper 4k cards and thus have double figures VRAM? 2 X 8 gig? 16??