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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. ljt

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    Or there is speculation it was in Singapore dollars not USD, which if true brings the costs down to more reasonable levels
     
  2. 4K8KW10

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  3. Burnt_Custard

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    Same as xbox one x. $500=£450
     
  4. ANDREW GREEN

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    Disappointing. I didn't quite believe 1080 at $250 but pretty much price matching Nvidia and not even matching EOL Vega is is depressing. Also 2060 competitor costing more than the 2060?

    AMDs new strategy isn't market share but profit maximisation. Maths wise it sort of makes sense. AMD can't win mind share. It's worth selling half as many cards if it charges $250 vs $400, it just is.

    You even have to question price fixing with Nvidia and AMD CEOs being related.

    While these maybe launch prices, we should get some deep discounts sooner or later though. Still Vega 56 maybe the best value for the time being.

    I mean that's kind of what happened with Ryzen 1000s series isn't it? Perhaps there's plenty of money to be made selling both side by side.

    It might be Vega 56 is the best money buy. If you don't have the greatest PSU, undervolt and don't overclock.
     
  5. Burnt_Custard

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    This is a interesting leak. Things to take into note:
    Is this Saphires top of range GPU or near reference model?
    Is it US Dollar or Singapore Dollar?
    Does US Dollar price take the Trump tariff in mind?
    Does it beat or is the better than the equivalent Nvidia GPU it is directly compete against?

    It's a leak so I'm taking all this information with a pinch of salt
     
  6. Grim5

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    When you're stuck on the same architecture since 2011 because you boss can't get the budget for research and developement

    Must be really fun working at AMD as a engineer...
     
  7. CuriousTomCat

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  8. AthlonXP1800

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    Sapphire: Navi will not have specialised ray tracing hardware!

    https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/130772-sapphire-amd-will-unveil-two-navi-skus-monday-computex/

    Sapphire reps confirmed Navi will not have hardware ray tracing.

    £499 for RX 3080 and £399 for RX 3070!

    Way overpriced without hardware ray tracing, Nvidia Turing RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 are very much better value.

    AMD shot in both feets and Navi is DOA.

    Cant see Polaris owners will bother to pay £200-£300 more upgrade their 14nm GPUs to Navi 7nm GPUs, I can see Polaris owners buy second hand Vega cards or second hand GTX 1070, GTX 1080 cards to experienced basic ray tracing or buy RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 to have great experience with ray tracing.
     
  9. Grim5

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    And Mark Cerny again said this morning

    PS5 is using custom Navi chip and yes the PS5 will have rayvtracing (for Audio) ;)

    Cerny is the ultimate troll

    It sounds like Navi just uses software based rayvtracing and not fixed function hardware as that requires an architecture change
     
  10. Jono8

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    Are AMD's graphics division having a laugh?

    You have been able to get 2070's for just over £400 (and on occasion under) for months/ half a year now.

    What is wrong with them?
     
  11. KillBoY_UK

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    394 before VAT, with VAT = £472, add some British rip off tax and over import fees etc we be lukcy if we get a $500 card for less than £500 as others have said
     
  12. ltron

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    They've given up and are just milking the few fanboys they have left.
     
  13. Teh_Next

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    Not so good.
    Looks like I may just buy that RTX 2080 after all. Shame, was looking forward to owning an AMD card again, for a change.
     
  14. HeX

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    Well, 5 days until we find out if they've shot themselves in the foot with the pricing or not, until then this is all just hearsay...
     
  15. ltron

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    At least wait until E3, we should know for sure then. I mean it's possible that Sapphire were sandbagging for AMD when they said 'stronger than a 2070' as this could technically mean it's stronger than a 2080 Ti because a 2080 Ti is stronger than a 2070 too. I know this is unlikely, but you never know and it's only a few weeks to find out. Nvidia may reduce their prices when Navi is announced so worth waiting anyway.
     
  16. LoadsaMoney

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    I can't wait to see how they run RT via software, when we all know how Nvidia can run it via hardware :eek: :p
     
  17. LePhuronn

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    Posted this in another thread

     
  18. Jono8

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    That would be far more sensible.

    I fail to see why they would release a non ray tracing card with ~2070 performance for 499 USD.
     
  19. HeX

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    ~£300 for the RX3080 with ~2070 performance would be an instant buy from me.

    EDIT: Apparently in the original interview transcript they used "美 元" which is "US Dollar."
     
  20. LePhuronn

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    Thanks for the clarification. That gives us 2 options:

    1: "performs stronger than RTX 2070" could mean RTX 2080 levels, bringing it close to Radeon VII and the $499 price point makes sense (even if we don't like it)
    2: AMD are smoking crack if they think they're selling those Navi cards at RTX prices.