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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%
  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%
  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%

  • Total voters
    528
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I know you're not bothered, you game on a 6-year old card ffs!!! :p
Haha. Yep. It runs everything I throw at it (that I am currently interested in playing) :p

Nothing even on the horizon that I want to play that needs the graphics power. Next one I think might be Resident Evil 2 Remake.
 
We're all doing it wrong man, we all thought we needed a 1080/1080Ti for 4k but NOPE, the super secret card to use is a ****ing 7970!!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Hahahahahaha. You are cracking me up here Jedi :D

Well, I am playing a Deus Ex mod right now and no word of a lie it is maxed out at 4K and runs silky smooth man :p

Next up I am planing on playing Resident Evil Remake which will easily run, then after that I will be revisiting Half Life games which I have not played in years thinking I should wait and play it when Half Life 3 is about to come out, but that is never going to happen by the looks of it.

FIFA 17 runs easily for the odd footy. As for the fighting games I am playing like Tekken 7, Street Fighter 5, Dead or Alive 5 and they all run perfectly fine on my 1080p Plasma as I like to play them on the big screen :D

Here is a list of games I am waiting for, but they are all 2018/19 games:

System Shock
Star Citizen
Final Fantasy 15
Cyberpunk 2077
Daymare: 1998
Resident Evil 2 Remake
Dying Light 2
Shenmue 3
Final Fantasy 7 Remake


;)
 
We do have the Threadripper still to come out :p



Seems short memory is common these days......

GTX780ti and Titan Black were/are still burning 370W+ when overclocked.
GTX780 at stock speeds is burning 280W at full load.

So does this means, everyone using Nvidia GPU earlier than the Maxwell one (which dropped the power need by 35%) should scrap them? Wasn't though you few months ago, who said to someone that the GTX780Ti is still relevant and good card even today? :)
Which ofc compared to RX Vega, all the pre-Maxwel NV cards, are just wasteful power consuming heaters. I love the irony these days :)
Nope, don't think that was me.

I actually don't mind if it is 400 watts, but the XTX water cooled one which will deal with that heat will need to be cheaper as a result. Price for performance is the most important thing for me. If this XTX card is in between a 1080 and 1080Ti performance they need to bring it in at around $499 in order to live up to what Raja has been saying like 4K PC for under 1000$ and being disruptive.

If they release it at that price, people won't care how much power it uses as water cooling will deal with the noise and heat and the money saved up front will more than pay for the electricity inefficiency up front.

People need to remember, Nvidia have had this performance available for ages and been charging whatever they want for it because they can. There are surely lots of room in the margins to release a card cheaper than people think. In ~6 months time 1080Ti performance will be mid level again like a 1070 so AMD need to come in swinging to get market share, because if they don't do it now, they sure as hell going to struggle to do it then.

I don't even really need a graphics card until Volta arrives, but will buy an XTX just to play about with some new tech if they don't get greedy.
 
Hehe i have basically stopped playing bcoz .. playing games on anything less than a vega would be a complete waste
not that i actually need a graphics card. have a titan (maxwell) on my gaming rig where i play games released during 2003-05 and thanks to my work life balance i think i will be always able to maintain a 10yr inventory of unplayed games :D

could have upgraded to the 1080 but didnt bcoz for me the 1080 is actually a 1070

if amd had something competitive i believe nvidia would have launched the 1080ti in place of the 1080 while ti could have been a much larger chip.

Hell i was also thinking of buying the FE .. if it wasnt such a confusing product.

Ans yes this is also the first time i will be going multi-gpu,.. so a bit concerned about stability given the high power draw but if amd are not greedy i can possibly buy 3 instead of 2 vegas

For the past few year I have tried not to buy any old game no matter how much of a bargain it seems. Time is more the issue than price of a game. Doing this I have managed to catch up with my backlog of steam games from many years of steam sales. I just played it a bit, if it did not grab me move on to the next. Now I am at a stage where I know which games I will be interested in playing when they come out. In the mean time I can go play old games I really enjoy when I get the time :)

Your Titan Maxwell should be able to play most games anyway, it is essentially a 1070, no point upgrading it to anything less then a RX Vega XTX (if that rumour of the naming scheme is correct) or 1080Ti in my opinion.


While I believe the AIO will be good, the FuryX and 295X2 from my own experience is very good, I will custom WC mine and I don't care about power consumption :)

Also for the pricing I agree.
Vividly remembering the tast time we (forum wide) had the argument Nvidia (higher price, less power consumption at stock speeds, - GTX780Ti) vs AMD (lower price, more power consumption - 290X), we ended up running calculations about electricity prices.
And the GTX780Ti had to run 8h per day 365d per year, for 25 (80 for the Titan Black) years to gain in electricity bills the extra price of the 780Ti, over the higher power consumption of the 290X.
However this energy value gains were wiped out if both cards were overclocked, because the 780Ti was 10W less hungry than the 290X then.

Fast forward 4 years, and we see that the 780Ti is at the bottom of the charts, bellow the RX470 for heaven sake, and anyone who was arguing about the energy consumption should have kept it, because he hasn't paid off the higher price of it..... If not, is a hypocrite :D
Never had a 700 series card myself so no idea. I did enjoy my 295x2 however when crossfire worked. Was damn hot air that was gushing out the back of my case though :p


Oh no! AMD went with Coolermaster again for their AIO pump!

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Oh no, coolermaster again!! Well it better work and be damned cheap now :p
 
Was getting me worried there for a minute guys. With the watercooled Vega I would not want it to be going much above 50C, whether it is overclocked or not. If it gets more than 50 it will only spin the fan on the heatsink up and become noisy again which is not what I want.

As far as I know the Fury X fan never had to ramp up rpm and get noisy even overclocked?
 
As I have a freesync monitor, it seems very likely I'll be pre-ordering the water Vega. I too was worried when I read that!
My main concern is price, followed by heat. I am happy to leave it stock just so I do not get the fan ramping up when using it.

My 1070 AMP Extreme was the best cooled card I have ever had. When not playing zero noise as no fans, then when playing it was half the noise of any other GPU I have ever had, not intrusive at all. My 1080 G1 Gaming was much louder in comparison which is probably one of the main reasons I sold it in the end. If it was the same noise as my 1070 I would have probably kept it for a long time I think.

Now I am stuck with a reference 7970 while waiting for Vega/Volta and no word of a lie when full load it sounds not to far of this:


I just play older games and cap the fps to 60fps to play silent :p
 
Never mind water cooling - at this rate RX Vega is going to be dead in the water.
The product itself looks like it will be disappointing from a performance and efficiency point of view. But AMD can still make it very successful if they price it very competitively.

Let's assume the following:

XTX= Roughly between 1080 and 1080Ti performance.
XT= Roughly 1080 performance.
XL= Roughly 1070 performance.

Sure very late to brining such performance to the table with much lower efficiency. But now if they price it like this:

XTX= $499
XT = $399
XL = $299

You are telling me they won't sell well? I would grab a XTX at that price. But if they go $599 for XTX then they can keep it and I will wait for Volta and grab better performance with much much better efficiency for likely around $399.

I am using dollars as that is the manufacturers currency and it gets straight to the point without messing about with currency fluctuations.
 
Problem is the profitability for AMD - sure someone can say the money for that will come from elsewhere in the business - but declining profitably will just see less and less investment from other parts of the business. It won't be long until 1080 ballpark performance seems distinctly last generation mid-range as well.

nVidia only needs to release a (proper) refresh at this point to squeeze them into having to price Vega down another tier as well and they really can't afford that. Unless RX Vega has waay better performance than is being thought at this point its going to be one of the shortest life cycle products in GPU history.
They are a bit doomed due to the poor performance of Vega really as the ball is in Nvidia's court. If they price it well as I suggested, nvidia may lower price which whey easily can and then AMD are left making very little profit. The positive side of doing this however is people on freesync will still be happy AMD came through for them and lowered prices and improved price for performance. So loyal fans will be happy at least and AMD live to fight another day and gain some much needed market share.

If they go for high prices, they will upset their core customer base who have gone AMD due to their good price for performance over the years. They will make profit, but will end up with a lot less market share then they could have.

I suppose if they have issues producing enough Vega cards, makes sense for them to price it high, but they can kiss goodbye getting any money from me.


Just target miners and it won't matter.
Mining profits have gone downhill big time, but noobs who are just getting into it may still be happy to buy at inflated prices I suppose :p
 
^^ :D

If stock shortage is true then price will more than likely be high. Oh well, I think I will just try and forget above Vega and get excited about Volta at this point.
 
I'd love to do that. However, I have a freesync monitor that I bought over a year ago and is now £150 more expensive than when I bought it. Plus the £100 gsync tax and it's rather off putting.

But when you think about it, if AMD are not going to be able to be competitive with Vega, then one might as well pay the g-sync tax, as monitors usually are not changed often.

I also have a Freesync monitor, but I was happy without adaptive sync anyway so no big deal for me to use an Nvidia GPU on my freesync monitor. I won't be changing my monitor any time soon until I can get a 4K 120hz HDR OLED one which won't be for a few years. If AMD does not sort things out with Navi, I will go G-Sync at that point.

Recently had 4K G-Sync monitor anyway, sent it back as I found it underwhelming for the price. Plus it had dead pixels.

Might try and upgrade my current 4K LG monitor by taking it apart and removing the AG coating in the near future. That will be a big upgrade for me for free. Might end up with a new monitor if I **** it up though :p
 
I just can not see, all those that have been on that peformance, and higher, for over a year now, sidegrading or downgrading to a card, that even sucks way more power.
I downgraded twice in the last 3 months. Went from a 1080 to a Nano, then finally ended up with a 7970, enjoying every game I wanted to play and making a very nice three figure profit in the process :p

Currently I am leaning towards waiting for Volta. At least I know I will end up getting ~1080Ti performance for much cheaper and have it running cooler and quieter. Also hopefully on GDDR6 :D

But not counting AMD out just yet, will hang in there for a few more weeks before I give up and lose faith in them.
 
Yeah, but if your going to side/downgrade from a 1080/Ti, you're going to have to get a new PSU as well, at a much higher wattage :p

Just about everyone whos going to go for a Vega, is going to have to factor in the cost of a new PSU as well. :D

They could do a Vega and PSU bundle :p
Not me mate. I could easily run Vega in crossfire with my PSU. Not that I would, I will leave crossfire alone for you to enjoy ;)
 
Oh man, if it is true that RX Vega "equals or is close to gtx 1080 performance" it will be so disappointing unless prices for under £400.

Wheres the 'Never Got On The Hype-Train' Poll option ? :p

I have access to add that to the poll as I am thread creator. I would add it, but don't want to end up suspended :p
 
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