Don
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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)
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No further integration would require treaty change which hasn't happened and never will.
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There is simply no way we'd become just a 'state' in a federal Europe without further referendum both here and in other member states. It's just not conceivable however much some people love to believe it would be.
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We didn't get a referendum to join the EU, it was matter for individual governments whether they bothered to ask their people.
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[TW]Fox;29542951 said:
It is actually. If you have the foresight to see where the 'European Project' is heading.
Oh I see, you just need 'foresight'.
So basically it's a guess, based on 'where things are heading'.
You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine - mine is that such a dramatic and far reaching change as to effectively dissolve individual countries doesn't just randomly happen. If it was ever on the table, it would be the subject of a further referendum. We've ended up with two of them for far less wide reaching changes/circumstances, after all!
So basically it's a guess, based on 'where things are heading'.
You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine - mine is that such a dramatic and far reaching change as to effectively dissolve individual countries doesn't just randomly happen. If it was ever on the table, it would be the subject of a further referendum. We've ended up with two of them for far less wide reaching changes/circumstances, after all!
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I really don't understand why you insist on being such a sarcastic douche.
It's obvious that closer and closer integration is going to happen. Why argue? It's like suggesting the Sun won't rise in the morning. It will happen; the only questions are around when and which countries will be involved.
I am not debating whether we'd be offered a referendum in such circumstances, I was specifically debating your contention that we aren't heading towards a 'United States of Europe'. I'll wager with you now if you wish - it's easy money.
It's obvious that closer and closer integration is going to happen. Why argue? It's like suggesting the Sun won't rise in the morning. It will happen; the only questions are around when and which countries will be involved.
I am not debating whether we'd be offered a referendum in such circumstances, I was specifically debating your contention that we aren't heading towards a 'United States of Europe'. I'll wager with you now if you wish - it's easy money.
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We've already seen that all your future assertions on the EU are based on it being completely static from this point on.[TW]Fox;29543026 said:
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And what freedoms would those be that the EU have taken from us?
Personally, I feel more free in the EU than I would outside of it. I have the freedom to work anywhere I want in the EU. I can travel without papers anywhere I like. I can be sure that I won't suffer discrimination in the workplace because of my disabilities. I'm free to not get ripped off by manufacturers who won't stand by their products for 2 years. I'm free to not have to pay through the nose for my mobile when I'm abroad. I'm free to not be forced by my employer to work excessive house. I'm free to have time off when my children are born.
Yup. I don't want any of those things in my life.
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To be fair tho, along with all the Jihad's that happen to be Muslim, which people like BF and UKIP tar everyone with the same brush.... I see a white, skin head man, with tattoo's and think, "yup racists"... Have also heard and seen someone of that exact description treating none white people in that way!
But thankfully am not a complete pig ignorant scum bag and understand that the minority do not represent the majority!
Those are all great things, genuinely, but we should've been able to get them through our own Political system - the EU wasn't necessary to get improved workers rights.
True, but recently the EU has been pretty good for them.
Should and did are different.
That's our fault as an electorate then, it's our responsibility to elect governments that focus on the things we want, we shouldn't have to give away our ability to elect the people who make our laws.
My point is that we wouldn't end up in one without further referendum, so this referendum isn't about that.
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That has nothing to do with the EU
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