Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

[bayo000]

I'm getting majorly hacked off with all the threats of what will happen to the UK if we leave the EU, is that the kind of bully tactic's that we should give in to, I don't think so!

IMO no matter how we vote, in or out, the EU will punish us in some way, petulant bullies.

But you are fine with all these threads that leave group are saying? You know like millions of turks and now apparently most of Africa on the way to UK this summer?

As Fox said yesterday the best thing a person can do is to ignore both official campaigns and do their own research as best as they can before making up their mind.

 

[izzop]

AFAIK that is part of the plan... Stop them as close to the Libyan coast as possible.

They possibly do, but I don't think the majority are put back to shore in Libya.

 

[The Running Man]

Saw footage on bbc news last nigh5 of the Italian warship watching then rescuing those from a boat that overturned. Presumably they landed them in EU subsequently.

if you're going to do that why not just put ferries on for them and stop the black market?

Only if they actively intercept and drag them back to Libya would this practice stop. Take them back, sink the boats. Job done.

oh btw ghadafi wouldn't have let so many people escape.

 

[norm]

If Labour had been in power at the time of the referendum do we think the Tories would be advocating leaving the EU as a way of attacking the opposition?

 

[Roar87]

Saw footage on bbc news last nigh5 of the Italian warship watching then rescuing those from a boat that overturned. Presumably they landed them in EU subsequently.

if you're going to do that why not just put ferries on for them and stop the black market?

Only if they actively intercept and drag them back to Libya would this practice stop. Take them back, sink the boats. Job done.

oh btw ghadafi wouldn't have let so many people escape.

They're too soft, unless you're willing to enforce borders with force there's nothing stopping anyone from jumping on a boat and heading to your shore

 

[Skunkworks]

So what would you suggest instead? Let them drown?

Intercept their boats with navy.
Take them onboard.
Sink the boat.
Return then to where they came from.

As soon as word spreads that there's no chance of reward the boats will stop.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Of course... Calling in a neighboring army won't provoke or escalate things further.

Depends on the situation. If there is civil war, bringing in a side which claims to be neutral, siding with no one, is less abrasive than having one side try and duke it out with the other. In a case like civil war, the aim would not be to end it by making sure one side wins but rather deter conflict by stating that the EU army is there to to prevent conflict and will stand against those who stir it.

 

[bayo000]

Intercept their boats with navy.
Take them onboard.
Tow the boat to harbor and recycle it.
Return then to where they came from.

As soon as word spreads that there's no chance of reward the boats will stop.

Fixed that for you, I like my sea clean when I'm on holiday.

 

[scorza]

Isn't this "EU Army" just getting armies from member states work together in organised manner when they're all deployed? You know like it is now that the armies of smaller nations are under command of US, Germany, France, UK or whoever.

So basically yet another scaremongering tactic from leave group that has absolutely nothing to do with referendum.

Don't we already have NATO for that? Ironically chronic lack of spending on Defence budgets amongst EU states is now putting that alliance at risk as the US are getting fed up with paying for defending Europe. If it ever did kick off with Russia (God forbid), my hope would be that the UK would be on the same side as the US.

 

[inogen]

Like I said it's up to the government of the day. If we did vote to Leave the EU then it'd be hard for any government to ignore voter's concerns about immigration.

no, it isn't up to the government of the day... the referendum is about leaving the EU, not the EEA, and even if we do leave the EEA as a consequence, we will rejoin the EEA as part of any free trade agreement, therefore border control is not a part of this referendum.

Though the politicians seem happy to let this slide. The leave campaign are making hay with it and the remain campaign are too bogged down in party politics to come out and say it.

 

[scorza]

no, it isn't up to the government of the day... the referendum is about leaving the EU, not the EEA, and even if we do leave the EEA as a consequence, we will rejoin the EEA as part of any free trade agreement, therefore border control is not a part of this referendum.

Though the politicians seem happy to let this slide. The leave campaign are making hay with it and the remain campaign are too bogged down in party politics to come out and say it.

Everything is up to the government of the day. This referendum isn't legally binding, so if they wanted to they could in theory ignore a Leave outcome - not suggesting they'd do that for a second. If we do Leave then we'll enter into negotiations and it's up to officials - ministers and civil servants - to decide what Britain should look like post-Brexit and get that outcome in the negotiations.

 

[Roar87]

no, it isn't up to the government of the day... the referendum is about leaving the EU, not the EEA, and even if we do leave the EEA as a consequence, we will rejoin the EEA as part of any free trade agreement, therefore border control is not a part of this referendum.

Though the politicians seem happy to let this slide. The leave campaign are making hay with it and the remain campaign are too bogged down in party politics to come out and say it.

This is just not true, it would be political suicide to continue to allow free movement if we voted to leave.

 

[Judgeneo]

no, it isn't up to the government of the day... the referendum is about leaving the EU, not the EEA, and even if we do leave the EEA as a consequence, we will rejoin the EEA as part of any free trade agreement, therefore border control is not a part of this referendum.

Though the politicians seem happy to let this slide. The leave campaign are making hay with it and the remain campaign are too bogged down in party politics to come out and say it.

Not quite, border control is obviously a big part of this referendum, or at least the ability to decide it. The gov could place us in EEA, or outside or it, or strike a new deal with the EU.

On question time last night, Ed Miliband was demanding to know which country's model we would emulate, yet we don't have to emulate any model at all.
Before Canada signed with the EU, there was no Canadian model, before Switzerland signed, there was no Swiss model, before Norway signed, there was no Norwegian model etc, etc, etc.

Any trade deal the EU signs with the UK will be the biggest of its kind, and we have a trade deficit with them to boot. We'll have a great negotiating position. We'll get a British trade deal. Its up to the government if this includes free movement or not, but considering that a big part of the leave campaign is against that, I doubt any PM would sign up for it, it would be political suicide.

 

[bayo000]

This is just not true, it would be political suicide to continue to allow free movement if we voted to leave.

That's what you think. IMO it would be economic suicide to leave both EU and EEA at the same time. Maybe few years after leaving EU but not straight away.

Didn't even Farage say that Norway model would be preferable and they are signed up to free movement?

 

[bayo000]

Before Canada signed with the EU, there was no Canadian model

I wonder how many people would change their vote to remain if Canada signed up to free movement before the referendum.

 

[flowrider99]

The remain team are ignoring 2 of the main reasons people want to leave the EU, immigration and sovreignty. A lot of voters will not care about the economic arguments and will have faith that the UK will continue, if not increase, to be a world trading force.

 

[kindai]

Faith, rather than evidence .

What evidence do you have that remaining will be better for the country?

The same, jack all.

 

[scorza]

Economically? A whole host of respected, major economic organisations have said they reckon the UK would be better of with Bremain. There's a reason Vote Leave are abandoning the economic argument/want to focus on migration...

If we'd have listened to those people, we'd be suffering in the Euro right now.

 

[Roar87]

Economically? A whole host of respected, major economic organisations have said they reckon the UK would be better of with Bremain. There's a reason Vote Leave are abandoning the economic argument/want to focus on migration...

None of them have predicted anything, seriously, economic predictions are about as reliable as football predictions

 

[Amp34]

Saw footage on bbc news last nigh5 of the Italian warship watching then rescuing those from a boat that overturned. Presumably they landed them in EU subsequently.

if you're going to do that why not just put ferries on for them and stop the black market?

Only if they actively intercept and drag them back to Libya would this practice stop. Take them back, sink the boats. Job done.

oh btw ghadafi wouldn't have let so many people escape.

I'm pretty certain there was a deal going on with Gadaffi regarding refugees and taking them back. Unfortunately we then bombed the **** out of them.

The issue at the moment is the boats are found either in international waters or near the european coasts. The aim of the new deal is to partly stop the boats getting to international in the first place.