Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

[Amp34]

I'm pretty sure most breeds supporters in this thread won't have thought the lib den/conservative coalition was a good thing, just like they seem to have a rabid hatred of Obama.

 

[Strife212]

People say we should stay in so we have more of a voice.

Our main representative in the EU is UKIP, because they win the EU elections...

 

[Insanties_birth]

How do you know we will have more control if there's a Brexit? What about if, for example, we join the EEA... and in doing so have to abide by all the single market rules we do now... but rather than having a say as we do now, we'd instead have no say. Right now we help shape those rules... but if we instead joined the EEA we wouldn't.

And the EU/Brexit stuff makes no difference to our head of state... our Head of State is the Queen, and will continue to be so regardless of what happens with the EU. Did you mean to spack about 'unelected bureaucrats '? You want 'some control on choosing our direction'... we do, we have a lot of control in or out of the EU.

EEA members are privy to the decision shaping process so the fabrication that we get no say is actually just more evidence that very few really know how the EU works In or out, there's a lot of FUD on either side but ultimately we would get a say, we wouldn't get a vote as to whether the policy is implemented among normal EU members but EEA members also get some policies they can opt out of if they are effected by them heavily as well. Sorry but it's just more misunderstandings on how the EU works due to the fact it's got such a poor level of understanding among regular people and it's not the closest thing to common knowledge as harriet harman will probably let you know (probably going to use this point quite regular now, having politicans tell us we should stay in the EU while not knowing who we're even giving power to is quite laughable though).

http://www.efta.int/eea/decision-shaping

 

[Efour]

People say we should stay in so we have more of a voice.

Our main representative in the EU is UKIP, because they win the EU elections...

It pretty much sums up how dumb the whole thing is doesn't it...

If the Uk leaves i would expect some major political reform in the uk towards a really decent proportional representation style of government so people can actually finally be represented, even if it allows UKIP, which would be irrelevant in a post brexit scenario? and other fringe groups more clout.

Potentially interesting times ahead.

 

[sityeuropa]

You cannot compare the democracy we currently have on the domestic government to that of the control we have in Europe which is the equivalent of being the Green Party. Nobody listens to us in Europe. Have we not been voted against every time?

We do have control in this country, may not be the best way but we did change from Labour > Con/Lib > Conservative in 6 years.

Head of state was an analogy of who is in control of running a country.

Hey maybe when this referendum is over Norway and Switzerland may get a chance to try and join the EU...........OH wait they don't want too !!

 

[Tunney]

You cannot compare the democracy we currently have on the domestic government to that of the control we have in Europe which is the equivalent of being the Green Party. Nobody listens to us in Europe. Have we not been voted against every time?

In terms of percentage of MPs/MEPs, we're actually more like the SNP of Europe and the SNP definitely hold some sway at Westminster.

 

[sityeuropa]

In terms of percentage of MPs/MEPs, we're actually more like the SNP of Europe and the SNP definitely hold some sway at Westminster.

Remembering laws are not drafted by the MEPs its drafted by the 28 commissioners, which we have one. Even then it has to go through Junker who probably would never do us any favours.

Either way you look at it your not going to have a big influence.

 

[Freakbro]

Nobody listens to us in Europe. Have we not been voted against every time?

No?

Where on earth did you get that idea from

 

[Strife212]

No?

Where on earth did you get that idea from

London School of Economics:

UK most outvoted country in EU parliament

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...s-lose-most-often-in-the-european-parliament/

 

[Freakbro]

London School of Economics:

UK most outvoted country in EU parliament

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...s-lose-most-often-in-the-european-parliament/

Yea....that link showing we are on the 'winning side' 65% of the time totally proves we have no influence and are voted against every time

Between itchy and a few other posters I can feel my brain cells dying every time I read your posts, keep it up and I'll end up voting Brexit in June

 

[ReltonBFD]

So 35% of the time we are forced to take regulations and rules or quotas we don't want, but that's okay because we are on the winning side 65% of the time.

Thats a fundamental flaw in the whole thing, We should choice what's best for us and leave the ****

 

[Strife212]

UK is the most outvoted, sure we still 'win' 65% of the time, doesn't change that statistic.

The UK actually has no representation in the majority EU parliament party at the moment because the Conservatives refuse to join it, and started a smaller conservative group instead.


European parties:

Group of the European People's Party (PPE) 273 < - UK has 0 members

Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists & Democrats (S&D) 190 < - Labour are in this

The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE) 89 < Lib Dems

The European Free Alliance Greens (Verts/ALE) 58 < - Greens

The European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) 56 < - Conservative Party

 

[Mulder]

How do you know we will have more control if there's a Brexit? What about if, for example, we join the EEA... and in doing so have to abide by all the single market rules we do now... but rather than having a say as we do now, we'd instead have no say. Right now we help shape those rules... but if we instead joined the EEA we wouldn't.

We've literally been over this about 5 times and you never respond to the facts....here is the most recent example.

Keeping it really simple....

1) WTO trade rules are supreme and will always override EU market rules (and according to the report I linked to above c.90% of EU single market rules are now covered by WTO rules)
2) So to influence these trading rules you need to have influence at the WTO, not the EU
3) Being in the EU means Britain has given up its seat at the WTO, so rather than having more influence over these rules we've actually got less

You could say the same about the EU wanting to take Britain's seat at the IMF etc, it means we have less influence.

We do not have influence over the unelected, bureaucratic elite in Brussels, and by remaining we will lose even more influence globally as the EU moves towards one country.

 

[Tunney]

Remembering laws are not drafted by the MEPs its drafted by the 28 commissioners

How is that comparable to the Green Party, who have 1 out of 650 MPs?

 

[antijoke]

I'm frankly getting sick and tired of the utter rubbish from both remain and leave now.

I should've expected no less from our politicians though in fairness.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I'm frankly getting sick and tired of the utter rubbish from both remain and leave now.

I should've expected no less from our politicians though in fairness.

Which comes back to a question I asked way back when: Are the public really going to be informed enough about the complexities of the EU to make a reasoned decision? The more this campaign goes on, the more I think absolutely not.

 

[Rilot]

Which comes back to a question I asked way back when: Are the public really going to be informed enough about the complexities of the EU to make a reasoned decision? The more this campaign goes on, the more I think absolutely not.

I don't think so. I think when it comes down to it it will play out like this in most people's heads.

Do I like Johnny Foreigner?
No - vote leave
Yes - vote remain

I just hope I'm wrong and that people are able to actually weigh up the pros and cons of everything.

 

[scorza]

Which comes back to a question I asked way back when: Are the public really going to be informed enough about the complexities of the EU to make a reasoned decision? The more this campaign goes on, the more I think absolutely not.

Well, as Winston Churchill is reported to have said, "democracy is the worst form of government ... apart from all the others". As the public are the ones who are affected the most by the outcome of the referendum, I say who better to make the decision?

I don't think so. I think when it comes down to it it will play out like this in most people's heads.

Do I like Johnny Foreigner?
No - vote leave
Yes - vote remain

I just hope I'm wrong and that people are able to actually weigh up the pros and cons of everything.

Good grief.

 

[Freakbro]

UK is the most outvoted, sure we still 'win' 65% of the time, doesn't change that statistic.

Which still is completely irrelevant to the post I was answering that said we get voted against every time.

So if you can just acknowledge that wasn't correct we can continue to debate the different point you are making

 

[Mulder]

I don't think so. I think when it comes down to it it will play out like this in most people's heads.

Do I like Johnny Foreigner?
No - vote leave
Yes - vote remain

I just hope I'm wrong and that people are able to actually weigh up the pros and cons of everything.

I think a more pertinent question that hopefully will be in most people's heads would be:

Do i want the UK to be absorbed into a European superstate?

Yes - vote remain
No - vote leave