Associate
I have no idea which clown wrote that but it is spectacularly bad.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)
- Thread starter Burnsy2023
- Start date
- Status
I have no idea which clown wrote that but it is spectacularly bad.
Associate
Now there's a glowing endorsement if ever I saw one.
Permabanned
I'm told that LSE students don't wear a cap and gown on their last day, but instead pose in those paper Guy Fawkes masks....... 
Caporegime
Radio 4 are saying it was sent by Dominic Cummings, Vote.Leave's Campaign Director.
Caporegime
This Brexiter insistence on smearing every institution that points out the economic realities is getting desperate. The LSE is one of Britain's top rated universities, internationally recognised, and with one of the best Economics departments in the UK; attempting to paint it as a left-wing stooge just makes you look foolish.
How about instead of engaging in ad hominem attacks you try and argue with the actual facts?
Last edited:
Caporegime
Why do you say that? How have you determined the influence of immigration relative to other factors that affect employment and wages?
![[TW]Fox](/data/man-of-honor/2009.png){kind=avatar}
Because anecdotes trump research. Didn't you get the memo?
Associate
In my opinion he needs replacing.
Permabanned
The actual fact is the LSE is proven corrupt Is it possible to make an ad hominen attack upon an institution, I don't believe it is!
Is it possible to make an ad hominen attack upon an institution, I don't believe it is!
Caporegime
The actual fact is the LSE is proven corrupt
You're attempting to smear the organisation rather than engage with the actual arguments. That form of argumentation is termed ad hominem. It's a particularly irrelevant example of ad hominem because, of course, your smears have nothing to do with the people who actually produced the report.
Associate
You insult thugs. Brexiteers can't compete with poor, low skilled Eastern Europeans that have basic English skills and they're afraid of homeless Syrians who are running for their lives. That's not exactly thug life, is it?
Just a couple of the guys on your side.
Soldato
For consideration: Is it better to be ruled by one corrupt and backward governing body (our Government), or two (our Gov and the European Parliament)?
Permabanned
Here is what the EU plan as a robust guard against illegal immigrants, and people here suggest that no way will migrants into the EU be given special treatment. If this blatant attempt to circumvent basic law and order doesn't show how they plan on "handling"the migrant crisis I don't know what does:
"Meanwhile, the Council of Europe has warned that doctors, teachers, social workers and landlords should not report illegal immigrants to the Home Office because it would breach their human rights.
Its guidelines said ‘firewalls’ should be created to prevent them sharing with the immigration authorities details about failed asylum seekers or those who have sneaked in unlawfully.
If adopted, the recommendations would make it much more difficult for immigration enforcement teams to track down and remove illegals.
There has been little love lost between IDS and Sir John since, as a backbencher in the early 1990s, Mr Duncan Smith was one of a group of rebels who fought a long parliamentary campaign against the Major government's decision to sign up to the Maastricht Treaty
Analysts believe more than a million foreigners are here in the UK unlawfully. Measures introduced by the Government mean anyone accessing education, hospitals, social services, housing or work must have their immigration status checked.
Landlords who fail to check whether they are renting to illegal immigrants could face five years in jail and firms who employ illegals can be fined up to £2,000 a person.
But the anti-discrimination panel of the Council of Europe, the 47-nation parent body of the European Court of Human Rights, said yesterday that this would violate human rights laws.
A Home Office spokesman said: ‘The Home Office would not accept or support any recommendation which would bar public officials or private service providers from reporting suspected illegal immigrants.
‘There are specific arrangements in place for the Home Office to be notified where illegal immigrants seek access to benefits or local authority social services.’ "
"Meanwhile, the Council of Europe has warned that doctors, teachers, social workers and landlords should not report illegal immigrants to the Home Office because it would breach their human rights.
Its guidelines said ‘firewalls’ should be created to prevent them sharing with the immigration authorities details about failed asylum seekers or those who have sneaked in unlawfully.
If adopted, the recommendations would make it much more difficult for immigration enforcement teams to track down and remove illegals.
There has been little love lost between IDS and Sir John since, as a backbencher in the early 1990s, Mr Duncan Smith was one of a group of rebels who fought a long parliamentary campaign against the Major government's decision to sign up to the Maastricht Treaty
Analysts believe more than a million foreigners are here in the UK unlawfully. Measures introduced by the Government mean anyone accessing education, hospitals, social services, housing or work must have their immigration status checked.
Landlords who fail to check whether they are renting to illegal immigrants could face five years in jail and firms who employ illegals can be fined up to £2,000 a person.
But the anti-discrimination panel of the Council of Europe, the 47-nation parent body of the European Court of Human Rights, said yesterday that this would violate human rights laws.
A Home Office spokesman said: ‘The Home Office would not accept or support any recommendation which would bar public officials or private service providers from reporting suspected illegal immigrants.
‘There are specific arrangements in place for the Home Office to be notified where illegal immigrants seek access to benefits or local authority social services.’ "
A section of a report into BBC bias:
http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/in-the-media/files/BBC%20Bias%20Chp%203.pdf
I guess there are many reasons why it might be slanted this way. But seeing as around 50% of the population are now looking to Brexit this is quite interesting.
http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/in-the-media/files/BBC%20Bias%20Chp%203.pdf
I guess there are many reasons why it might be slanted this way. But seeing as around 50% of the population are now looking to Brexit this is quite interesting.
Last edited:
Caporegime
If I was feeling pedantic I'd point out that neither of those are actual ad hominems, merely insults. To be an ad hominem you have to carry on to argue that your opponents argument is wrong because of the insult, i.e. "Mary smells of poo and wee" is not an ad hominem whereas "Mary smells of poo and wee so her opinion about market economics is wrong" is an ad hominem.
But that's largely by-the-by. It's undeniably the case that some people on both sides of the argument have engaged in ad hominem arguments, and that both sides have at times descended into mere insult. Hell, I'll hold my hands up and admit that while I try to keep a more rational tone I've done it myself at times.
Associate
You could but at it's most basic it is attacking the person and not the argument.
Suspended
- Joined
- 30 Jul 2013
- Posts
- 29,030
Why would you ever get another vote? This is the vote and if the majority vote to stay then that's it.
Caporegime
The ONS has published their report on the difference between the number of NI numbers allocated and migration figures. They conclude that, as previously suggested, the difference in attributable to short-term migration in which people come to the country for a short period, work, and then go home.
- Status