The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

ALXAndy · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:04

Oh. And IMO the "4gb super duper ultra uber special edition card" is simply an afterthought. A reaction to a reaction.

thezakarum · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:04

ALXAndy said:
This is a new gen card. 2GB vram is positively tight ass, especially when it won't be a cheap mid ranged card that it should have been.

I guess if you don't take issue at paying £450+ for a 2GB card that should have been a mid ranged part then all power to ya.

I know I won't be buying one, for the same reason. It's overpriced for what it is, or should have been.

Mal X said:
no, he's just fed up with expensive crap like this from Nvidia and i am too.

I don't think its "expensive crap", but it is overpriced for what it is. Its still an impressive card, and people will still buy it if it does what they want from it.

I've made my mind up too, I will be waiting till August/September for GK110.

And if Nvidia puts a price on that which is relative to the performance of cards which are 2 years old then I won't be buying, because it'll easily be over £800 if thats the case. My two cents.

xsistor · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:06

Too much idiocy on this thread now. I think I'm just going to sit back and wait. Pity there's no thread with any leaks minus the garbage.

LeJosh · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:06

What's more impressive is that it sounds like it's exactly the same as the 7970, even price matching the 7970.

xsistor said:
Too much idiocy on this thread now. I think I'm just going to sit back and wait. Pity there's no thread with any leaks minus the garbage.

Because it's not filled with positive remarks? Pity.

N19h7m4r3 · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:30

xsistor said:
Too much idiocy on this thread now. I think I'm just going to sit back and wait. Pity there's no thread with any leaks minus the garbage.

Isn't stock supposed to be arriving within a week? So we all might as well chill a bit and see what really happens.

Even if the cards are just neck and neck against each other, price and other features come into play.

Mal X · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:45

well if you search online, it just looks like AMD are better cards nowadays and better value for money, i just cant see where this latest Nvidia card fits in, especially if it's too expensive or even the same price as the 7970.

we are just dissapointed that this new card isn't far more impressive, plus also a lower price

Mal X · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:46

N19h7m4r3 said:
Isn't stock supposed to be arriving within a week? So we all might as well chill a bit and see what really happens.

Even if the cards are just neck and neck against each other, price and other features come into play.

yea' exactly, like the AMD has more RAM !!!!!!!

but we'll have to wait and see, because the actual version might not be the one that's been tested here, so far the best card looks like the 7950, because overall it's about 100 quid cheaper than its bigger brother

finally the posts would be positive if the card was, but no, that card THAT YOU'RE ALL AFTER isn't out till late summer and that 4GB card will be over 500 quid..... so there you go, you just cant win can you

555BUK · 18 Mar 2012 at 17:50

ALXAndy said:
That was probably the philosophy that was doing the rounds when the single PCB GTX 295 came out. 896mb of vram is more than enough, and thus, spending £450+ or more on a card was a safe bet.

The 295 was launched over 3 years ago (January 2009) and by current standards is on par with an AMD 5850 or GTX560 (both of which only contain 1GB). In 3 years time 2GB may also be insufficient, but I won't be buying one in 3 years time. Also, there is unlikely to be the leap in screen resolutions during the next 3 years that there has been in the past, and game requirements will increment much more slowly (mainly due to production time and most games being console ports). Most people who buy top end cards do not keep them for 3 years anyway. Don't forget that AMD still sell 1GB 6950's, which offer decent performance for most people up to 1920x1200 res.

By the time the 7900's 3GB buffer is full, the GPU will probably be on it's knees anyway. 3-4GB VRAM is only currently needed for mult-card, mult-monitor setups which very very few people use.

I will happily buy a 1.5GB 7970 or 2GB GK104 when the price is right. I rate GPU performance before physical memory.

Bluenose · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:01

Mal X said:
no, he's just fed up with expensive crap like this from Nvidia and i am too.

Because £450-500 for a 7970 is cheap.

Rroff · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:05

LeJosh said:
What's more impressive is that it sounds like it's exactly the same as the 7970, even price matching the 7970.

Because it's not filled with positive remarks? Pity.

Negativity is one thing but theres a good number of posts in this thread that are purely irrational (in many cases) nVidia hate many of them taking the slightest issue and throwing all the dirt possible at it even when theres no logical link between them outside of some delusional fantasy.

OK nVidia have rarely done them any favors and there are plenty of good reasons to criticise them but some people seriously need to get back on their meds...

N19h7m4r3 · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:05

Mal X said:
yea' exactly, like the AMD has more RAM !!!!!!!

but we'll have to wait and see, because the actual version might not be the one that's been tested here, so far the best card looks like the 7950, because overall it's about 100 quid cheaper than its bigger brother

It's not all about VRAM though, remember the GTX 580 1.5gb vs 3gb. Not much of a difference.

Things will get more clear once the Nvidia reviews are out thouigh, especially after the 1.5GB 7950/7970's are out to make better comparisons.

Since I'm using a Hazro monitor I'm almost stuck with Nvidia cards, as there's a chance with AMD ones that I'll have problems like other Hazro users.

Mal X · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:05

Bluenose said:
Because £450-500 for a 7970 is cheap.

no it definitely is not cheap....... a 400 quid 50'' plasma is about the right price

if you look carefully at what that card is, it's only worth 250 quid..... about 80% more than a good MOBO.

we could change this country if we just had the will to do so, one of the biggest **** ups is the VAT, this should be reduced to a fairer 5%; this would stimulate the economy..... it's rip off Britain only because you allow it to be so, Capitalism like this doesn't work anymore

that card probably has a 60% mark up and then on top of this VAT

ALXAndy · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:07

555BUK said:
The 295 was launched over 3 years ago (January 2009) and by current standards is on par with an AMD 5850 or GTX560 (both of which only contain 1GB). In 3 years time 2GB may also be insufficient, but I won't be buying one in 3 years time. Also, there is unlikely to be the leap in screen resolutions during the next 3 years that there has been in the past, and game requirements will increment much more slowly (mainly due to production time and most games being console ports). Most people who buy top end cards do not keep them for 3 years anyway. Don't forget that AMD still sell 1GB 6950's, which offer decent performance for most people up to 1920x1200 res.

By the time the 7900's 3GB buffer is full, the GPU will probably be on it's knees anyway. 3-4GB VRAM is only currently needed for mult-card, mult-monitor setups which very very few people use.

I will happily buy a 1.5GB 7970 or 2GB GK104 when the price is right. I rate GPU performance before physical memory.

The single PCB 295 was launched in July of 2009. I wasn't talking about the older one.

BF3 came out just after the card was two years old. Heck, most of them will still be in warranty. And it was no less of a flagship card then than the dual PCB one, especially as it was cooler and less prone to failure.

So that makes it about 2.5 years old. It cost upward of £450.

Just like the 590 cost £650, and it too will also be rendered utterly useless within the next year. Infact, for surround it's already useless.

psychodil · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:08

I think the point is that the people who can spend £400+ on a gpu tend to have high quality monitors and a higher percentage of these people have multi monitors etc and may need more than 2gb either now or in the near future.
7970 can be had for under 400 now so is still worth considering. Will be interested to.see an overclocked 7970 vs a overclocked kepler.

ALXAndy · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:09

N19h7m4r3 said:
It's not all about VRAM though, remember the GTX 580 1.5gb vs 3gb. Not much of a difference.

Until you SLI them and add three screens.

Kepler is supposed to support 3 screens out of the box. That is what makes it a bit pathetic. So what are they going to do? launch an unplanned hideously priced 4gb version to pave over the cracks.

And what I mean by that is, when you take something that was never intended to be a top end card and start pretending it is you need to come up with a plan quickly so people don't think you are rotten liars and price gougers.

Sadly any one who has followed Kepler's development knows the truth.

psychodil said:
I think the point is that the people who can spend £400+ on a gpu tend to have high quality monitors and a higher percentage of these people have multi monitors etc and may need more than 2gb either now or in the near future.
7970 can be had for under 400 now so is still worth considering. Will be interested to.see an overclocked 7970 vs a overclocked kepler.

Nvidia themselves are already testing and pimping the next gen engine.

WingZero30 · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:17

ALXAndy said:
I strongly suspect that this "round" of Kepler was far cheaper for them to produce than the real home run hitting Kepler that's coming later this year will be.

It was always, in Nvidia's words "a mid ranged part".

It seems to me that they are taking the ball and running with it and it seems terribly greedy of them to do so. They are taking advantage of a market where they know they can.

I am having same feelings aswell about this 'high end' card

thezakarum · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:20

Not sure if anyones posted this already but...

426 Euros before tax... anyone care to do a conversion and add vat?

thezakarum · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:27

I hope theres nothing in that picture that could get me into trouble...

I cut as much as I could, but I can't read german.

psychodil · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:27

About 425 quid.

ALXAndy · 18 Mar 2012 at 18:29

thezakarum said:
Not sure if anyones posted this already but...

426 Euros before tax... anyone care to do a conversion and add vat?

Yeah NP.

£420+ VAT.