The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

xsistor · 10 Mar 2012 at 16:19

Vir said:
I would have been more impressed if they just named it GTX660 ti @ 250 pounds and launched that. That would mean the midrange card would be as fast or faster then AMD high end

I agree. I bet they decided to name it GTX 670Ti/680 after finding it competitive against 7970, instead of releasing it as a 660

ALXAndy · 10 Mar 2012 at 16:23

Vir said:
I would have been more impressed if they just named it GTX660 ti @ 250 pounds and launched that. That would mean the midrange card would be as fast or faster then AMD high end

Absolutely nonsensical if you are Nvidia.

Why take a industry leading product, give it a lame name and charge bugger all for it?

I maintain. Every last frame per second you see from Kepler in a game or benchmark will come with a heavy price on its head.

If the 680 is faster than the 7970 then it would be completely idiotic to downplay it and make less money from it.

If it is faster than the 7970 then it will be the world's fastest single GPU. And that comes with a status, a name, and a price.

It could be all down to frightfully good fortune that the 7970 is actually quite crap in the realms of 28nm, or it could be AMD testing the water with a dummy card, with a serious chunk of potential locked down.

I will go for the latter. AMD knew Kepler was coming, and all they had to do initially was beat the 580 and own the fastest single GPU on the market. They can then charge what they like for that privilege right up to the point Nvidia change that. They can then repeat the process using what they held back the first time around.

Which, from a quick look around seems exactly what they have planned.

Freddie1980 · 10 Mar 2012 at 16:36

Aurhinius said:
I am concerned about the rumour of solid dx11 p rformance but crappy dx10 or 9. Dx11 hasnt taken over the market just yet so that is bad news.

Have to wait and see though. Not impressed just yet that could change though when concrete info comesa along.

Video cards are pulling out silly numbers for DX9 games anyway (I can only think of The Witcher 2 and Empire Total War that really demanding DX9 titles) so if taking a hit on an older API to improve performance on DX11 is worth it in my book.

TAC4U · 10 Mar 2012 at 16:53

Freddie1980 said:
Video cards are pulling out silly numbers for DX9 games anyway (I can only think of The Witcher 2 and Empire Total War that really demanding DX9 titles) so if taking a hit on an older API to improve performance on DX11 is worth it in my book.

Unfortunately that means performance in console ports - which is often shoddy anyway - will suffer even more. And I may be wrong here but my impression is that the majority of games coming out still rely on DX9. To sacrifice the performance of most games to optimise for a few high profile DX11 games seems like a bad strategy to me.

PGdude · 10 Mar 2012 at 17:06

TAC4U said:
Unfortunately that means performance in console ports - which is often shoddy anyway - will suffer even more. And I may be wrong here but my impression is that the majority of games coming out still rely on DX9. To sacrifice the performance of most games to optimise for a few high profile DX11 games seems like a bad strategy to me.

What DX9 games should I be looking forward to?

0ctane · 10 Mar 2012 at 17:38

thezakarum said:
Any chance these cards have technology that will reduce overall power consumption like amd and their zero-core technology?

Get outta here and take yer badge with ya......power saver....pfff

Carcer · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:01

1.)Faster than an 2 HD7970
2.)New magic Bios improves performance and auto launches ICBM's
3.)Consumes No power
4.)Has a 1nm die
5.)Has 10gb of VRAM
6.)Can take over your pc
7.)doesn't have a pcb as it merges with ur pc
8.)Is only $2
9.)Has backlit GEFORCE GTX logo that appears above your house
10.)Is the PhysX MASTER

Fixed XD

ALXAndy · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:04

PGdude said:
What DX9 games should I be looking forward to?

All of them because they usually look as good as a DX11 title and run properly without mangling your GPUs.

cainer · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:07

Carcer said:
1.)Faster than an 2 HD7970
2.)New magic Bios improves performance and auto launches ICBM's
3.)Consumes No power
4.)Has a 1nm die
5.)Has 10gb of VRAM
6.)Can take over your pc
7.)doesn't have a pcb as it merges with ur pc
8.)Is only $2
9.)Has backlit GEFORCE GTX logo that appears above your house
10.)Is the PhysX MASTER
11.)still unable to play crysis

Fixed XD

Fixed

TAC4U · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:08

PGdude said:
What DX9 games should I be looking forward to?

Dota 2, Prey 2, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Mass Effect 3?

Even then, just because a game supports DX11 doesn't mean it is going to be used in any significant way. For instance, Diablo III is planning to use it just for anti-aliasing. We have no idea whether the optimisations made by nVidia will benefit these games or only games like Crysis 2 and BF3, which use DX11 much more extensively.

Carcer · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:09

cainer said:
Fixed

Bestest!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:14

Carcer said:
1.)Faster than an 2 HD7970
2.)New magic Bios improves performance and auto launches ICBM's
3.)Consumes No power
4.)Has a 1nm die
5.)Has 10gb of VRAM
6.)Can take over your pc
7.)doesn't have a pcb as it merges with ur pc
8.)Is only $2
9.)Has backlit GEFORCE GTX logo that appears above your house
10.)Is the PhysX MASTER
11.)still unable to play crysis
12.)Achieves sentience 0.000000000000000000000000002 seconds after being switched on

Fixed XD

Luckily, PhysX Man comes to the rescue!!

MichaelM · 10 Mar 2012 at 18:22

PGdude said:
What DX9 games should I be looking forward to?

If it crippled the performance of my system in TF2, I would consider it a serious downgrade. I'm super serious.

Aurhinius · 10 Mar 2012 at 19:02

You have to market a GPU at the titles and games that are being made and will be made in the next year or so.

DX11 isn't being used for many titles and of those it does it's a real after thought.

Tessallation is even more so.

They should be careful about giving up DX9 performance for DX11.

straxusii · 10 Mar 2012 at 19:03

Indeed TF2 is still the best game period on the PC

Sin_Chase · 10 Mar 2012 at 19:13

TF2 will run on a calculator, it's Source.

Would not be concerned tbh.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Mar 2012 at 19:32

Some more information:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...orce-GTX-780&p=5066746&viewfull=1#post5066746

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...orce-GTX-780&p=5066788&viewfull=1#post5066788

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...orce-GTX-780&p=5066794&viewfull=1#post5066794

I wonder if this means the large Kepler GPU is not as delayed as people think. The chap in the posts is the chief chap at Hardware Canucks.

Jakus · 10 Mar 2012 at 19:34

ALXAndy said:
All of them because they usually look as good as a DX11 title and run properly without mangling your GPUs.

Your spot on there

Nvidia had to add a voltage bump to newer drivers because cards were falling over !

And I always thought it was Just me that saw almost no image quality difference with DX11

ALXAndy · 10 Mar 2012 at 19:35

Hard Reset is a classic example of how a game can look stunning without needing DX11.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Mar 2012 at 20:02

ALXAndy said:
Hard Reset is a classic example of how a game can look stunning without needing DX11.

The original Crysis looked fantastic in DX9 too and DX10 did not add a huge amount IMHO.

OTH,Crysis2 with the DX11 patch and a custom high resolution texture pack(not the Crytek one) does look quite nice. Its quite nice to see bumpy details in roads for example.