The muslims are at it again

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anyway, hope everyone had a good time with their loved ones. I'm not bothered about Valentines anyway - I prefer to surprise her randomly :p

goodnight :)
 
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Hehehe, best you look at the actual figures as they don't back you up....

http://defencejournal.com/sept99/martial-races.htm

See the table near the bottom....

Jan.1, 1940 Jan.1, 1942 Jan.1, 1945 Feb.1, 1946 Jan. 1, 1947 April 1, 1947 June 1, 1947 July 1, 1947
Muslims Number 92,841 279,507 447,580 402,070 205,820 148,607 138,892 135,268
Percentage 37.518 37.626 32.016 32.405 31.762 32.653 36.189 36.210
Hindus Number 93,132 299,850 649,900 602,320 309,360 210,615 159,783 154,780
Percentage 37.635 40.364 46.488 48.546 47.741 46.278 41.632 41.433

So never more than the hindus..... and during the war years between 93k and 280k for the muslims,compared to 93k and 850k hindus ...............

I wonder how many turkish muslims fought against us...
 
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But even if the figures don't stack up it was more than 2, 3 right ?

I know it's not supporting your argument but even you must have to retract that statement!

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I wonder how many turkish muslims fought against us...

Your like a dog with a bone!
 
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Raz said:
But you hate those people burning cards in Pakistan?

How many Muslims here on this board complained? Yet you still find it your duty to insult us as much you can.

well no matter.

I love you :)

I don't hate anyone, the closest I have to hate for anyone is for someone who is not a muslim.....

It is NOT those complaining about the cards it is the dismissal of anything that is insulting to Western culture contrasted with the ranting over anything that *insults* Islam. A card, a book, a cartoon - all the same to me. But not all the same to a Muslim. Either they are all worth rioting over or none are.
 
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HEADRAT said:
But even if the figures don't stack up it was more than 2, 3 right ?

I know it's not supporting your argument but even you must have to retract that statement!
I do? I thought they were "countless". As we can put an exact figure on them they are far from countless. Best you retract your statement hey :D
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Your like a dog with a bone!

Am I? I simply see the big picture, I don't have my head stuck in the sand, I look at things globally rather than in isolation, if we are to discuss muslims who fought for the UK then it stands to reason to consider those who fought AGAINST the UK.....
 
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Hehehe, best you look at the actual figures as they don't back you up....

http://defencejournal.com/sept99/martial-races.htm
I used that page for my figures of losses. Which were considerably greater that the 2 or 3 you positted.
See the table near the bottom....

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So never more than the hindus
Which is not at issue, nor is it surprising given that the Hindu population of India exceeds that of all other religions. In fact going by population Hindis are under represented.
I wonder how many turkish muslims fought against us...
non sequitor. I wonder how many Axis troops were xian and does it make a blind bit of difference?

You should throw the shovel away.
 
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VIRII said:
Am I? I simply see the big picture, I don't have my head stuck in the sand, I look at things globally rather than in isolation, if we are to discuss muslims who fought for the UK then it stands to reason to consider those who fought AGAINST the UK.....

Yep but your dismissive of those that did fight for us:-

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So how many muslims fought for the UK then? 2? 3?

and then very quick to count those who must have fought against the UK when that didn't really hold water.

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You should throw the shovel away.

Agreed!

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Vita said:
And if Muslims didn't want to get along, do you really think some would change the way they live just to stay in a country?

Think about it.

I have no idea what your point is. I wouldn't live in a country that I despised that I thought was an insult to my beliefs.
 
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I used that page for my figures of losses. Which were considerably greater that the 2 or 3 you positted.Which is not at issue, nor is it surprising given that the Hindu population of India exceeds that of all other religions. In fact going by population Hindis are under represented.non sequitor. I wonder how many Axis troops were xian and does it make a blind bit of difference?

You should throw the shovel away.

In response to a post stating that muslims were the largest portion of the army it is relevent to post the reality that they were not.
Which is what I did.

You'll have to ask headrat what the relevence is as this is his baby, I am merely correcting him :)

"2 or 3" was facetious. So what? As for the shovel do you want me to put it down so you can use it?
 
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Yep but your dismissive of those that did fight for us:-
So what? 200,000 soldiers? If we must count them then count those who fought against.
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and then very quick to count those who must have fought against the UK when that didn't really hold water.
The only thing that did not hold water was your made up post about muslims being the bulk of the indian army.
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You want it too?
 
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VIRII said:
"2 or 3" was facetious. So what?

Obviously it just shows the level of respect you have for Muslim men that died for this country!

VIRII said:
The only thing that did not hold water was your made up post about muslims being the bulk of the indian army.

I just sought to prove that there were muslims in the Indian army, I didn't make any claims for tha validity of the figures or that they made up the bulk, can you confirm that your figures are 100% accurate.

Obviously you seek to belittle their sacrifice!

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You want it too?

Yeah I need it to put out the Protestants I've been burning in the back garden ;)

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HEADRAT said:
Obviously it just shows the level of respect you have for Muslim men that died for this country!
Or does it show the level of respect I have for your post of "countless muslims" and the fairyland figures of "more muslims than any other group"....
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I just sought to prove that there were muslims in the Indian army, I didn't make any claims for tha validity of the figures or that they made up the bulk, can you confirm that your figures are 100% accurate.

Obviously you seek to belittle their sacrifice!

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How am I belittling anything? I am simply keeping perspective and correcting your fallacies.
 
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VIRII said:
Or does it show the level of respect I have for your post of "countless muslims" and the fairyland figures of "more muslims than any other group"....

How am I belittling anything? I am simply keeping perspective and correcting your fallacies.

Where did I post "countless muslims", you say the figures are wrong by posting other figures, are you sure they are correct or are they from fairyland!

Perspective as long as it's "down" on Muslims.

I wonder how many Frech people colloborated in WWII!

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HEADRAT said:
Where did I post "countless muslims"
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So what about the countless Muslims that died fighting for the UK in WWII?

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see post 277, 279, 281..... :)
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you say the figures are wrong by posting other figures, are you sure they are correct or are they from fairyland!
I took them from your link.....

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Perspective as long as it's "down" on Muslims.
As long as it is balanced and looks at BOTH sides of the equation......
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I wonder how many Frech people colloborated in WWII!

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Quite a few, collaborate or get shot. Some choice.

I guess you're making good use of that shovel :D
 
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VIRII said:
see post 277, 279, 281.....

Ah fair enough, it's been a long day ;)

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As long as it is balanced and looks at BOTH sides of the equation......

Well it gone from 2,3 to a few hundred thousand that fought for us but obviously negated by those who must have fought against us, terrible when it all just comes down to maths isn't it!

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I took them from your link.....

I'm not sure they are accurate but it's more believable than 2,3 ;)

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HEADRAT said:
Well it gone from 2,3 to a few hundred thousand that fought for us but obviously negated by those who must have fought against us, shame!

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Why would you choose to look only at those who fought for and absolutely not at those who fought against?

Have another look at the "how many? 2,3?" comment, it was directed at Raz after his comment about none..... Still take it out of context if it works for you and ignore any figures that don't ..... lol.

I still await your explanation as to WHY I should respect peoples religious beliefs...... nice diversion though..... I'd like an explanation though.
 
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VIRII said:
Why would you choose to look only at those who fought for and absolutely not at those who fought against?

I'm not saying don't look at those who fought against us, I'm just saying give a little respect and recognition to those that did!

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HEADRAT said:
I'm not saying don't look at those who fought against us, I'm just saying give a little respect and recognition to those that did!

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Oh ok.... I thought you were making a numerical point about (countless) numbers as though the actual number was important...... in which case both positive and negative numbers should be considered to get a true answer....
 
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