The OcUK Relationship Counselling and Hugs Thread

The overall post is more than the sum of its parts. It screams someone who thinks they want a woman simply as an object and turns into an absolute melt when they find someone who actually challenges them.

Most points don't even relate to relationships, they are just traits you would expect most normal, well rounded human beings to have.
 
This is amazing but for mostly the wrong reasons:

I agree with the above post but don’t think that it’s meant to be easy or should be easy.

I think been an attractive guy in your 30’s with choice, including hot younger girls in there 20’s, and I’ve had to learn all this and work on it. Means.

1. Work at the gym which includes self motivation even when you don’t want to do it. If you don’t hate the sight of the gym and or the weights your not doing it right.
2. staying off alcohol at least 2/3 days a week
3. learning to cook and eat healthily
4. hopefully benefiting from your lack of bad choices earlier in life
5. Learning game and been able to manage girls in the psychological as that’s where they exist primarily. You have to be able to confidently manage her moods or she will work this out and manipulate you. This is even more important with hot younger girls as she’s had a lifetime already of guys trying to hit on her.
6. Learning to ruthlessly and confidently cold approach girls in person and warm approaching during evenings / bar scene. You have to be able to take positives from every interaction, not be ego invested in outcomes or take anything personally. Trust me she won’t. She will forget about you instantly if she’s a hot girl and you drop the ball.
7. Having money. This is going to look different for different guys but you need to be not broke with some savings and some buffers against potential issues. Hot girls don’t want broke guys generally speaking, especially in there 30’s, although there are exceptions. Learn how to manage and invest your money.
8. Having a clean place which has a masculine edge to it
9. Reading lots of books so you have things to talk about and a view on the world
10. Going to places where there is a greater abundance of hot girls so you can learn quicker. London, Manchester, Ibiza. Barcelona, Lisbon, Bratislava. Most small towns are terrible for learning as there are too few hot girls so your never going to win, again she knows this, so go where your treated better due to the abundance.
11. A lot of this will likely have to be done on your own as your average 30’s guy is probably holding onto a crumbling social circle from earlier in life due to friends having kids etc but be on the look out for new friends who are interested in this also. Having competition is a great motivator.
12. Understanding feminine nature and what they are really all about at different phases in there life. Men and women are different.
13. Understanding that we have all spent too much time behind screens as young men these days and it’s retarded our social acuity. You have to push past all this and get better.
14. Moderating your use of porn.
15. Been aware of the “yes girl” dynamic. The handful of times your getting action from a night out or your social circle or even online dating doesn’t mean what your doing is good enough. Your just finding a “yes girl”. You’d have to do a lot wrong in that situation. You need to be turning maybe’s into yes’s and then you can act from a position of abundance and at the very least choose from a few options rather than “I’ve found a girl which will touch me” which is the position most guys choose from.
16. Not been afraid to disagree with her or call out her bad behaviour. Listen to her and take her opinion into consideration because your not a misogynist but your having a sexual relationship with her she’s not one of your bros. Attraction isn’t born out of been a pushover it’s born out of her feeling like you can protect her, lead and look after her. It’s not easy this and it’s a burden as a man but your reward is her sexuality and genuine (not obligated) desire.

There are more than enough resources on the internet and in books for a guy who actually wants to do this. You just have to want it enough. We live in a time when everything is instant, on demand and available on credit. This isn’t like this at all. It takes work which people don’t want to do.

Because ^ that ^ is right next door to this nonsense:

Your advice is sound, most men on here just don't want to hear it because they're basically low status males who hate the idea of having to self improve
 
My point about "what is this thread about".... is it a "how to get laid" or "how to have a meaningful relationship". #10-14-15 indicate to me its the former rather than the latter and therefore belongs in a different titled thread
 
My point about "what is this thread about".... is it a "how to get laid" or "how to have a meaningful relationship". #10-14-15 indicate to me its the former rather than the latter and therefore belongs in a different titled thread

So you'd tell a guy posting in here struggling to meeting women that he's posting in the wrong thread?
 
Relationship counselling is not same as "How to meet"... Don't topic titles mean anything? Maybe the 600+ pages should have been more than 1 thread.. the "advice how to meet", the "advice how to get laid" and the "one for people who need advice how to make relationship work once the quick bang is done" :D
 
You're just a high-status male mags so the advice doesn't apply to you. Roar just needs to earn six figures like yourself before he ascends into a sex god.

So many posts in here scream of insecurity though, it's like when I was a teenager hanging out with my equally nerdy mates and we'd talk crap about the older/cooler guys because we were jealous/insecure and not doing very well with girls at that point. It's easy to spot that behaviour.
 
Oooh salty... How about your "guide" is a "guide" how to get laid rather than how to have a relationship? Relationship is not just having sex. Success is not just having a woman (or man if you prefer) willing to have (or desiring) to have sex with you.

I think you needed a different thread


Spicy maybe but for any idea to be sufficiently valid it needs to be able to survive the crucible of open debate. Your not debating me are you?

I’ll concede that. Yes while it was a response to the previous guy stating what an attractive guy in his 30’s looks like it could also be construed as been a guide how to get laid.

Would you concede that been able to get laid is not a bad prerequisite to abundance, choice and ultimately your ability to choose a relationship with a person? I think therefore it isn’t the wrong thread. What do you think is the alternative?

I was in this thread previously complaining about my third time getting zero’ed out emotionally due to bad relationship choices. I stopped accepting what I was getting, and my desire for the world to conform with how I thought it should be and started looking it objectively. I didn’t like all the answers but I least I can see what I was doing wrong,
 
You're just a high-status male mags so the advice doesn't apply to you. Roar just needs to earn six figures like yourself before he ascends into a sex god.

I can't afford a pay cut :(

So many posts in here scream of insecurity though, it's like when I was a teenager hanging out with my equally nerdy mates and we'd talk crap about the older/cooler guys because we were jealous/insecure and not doing very well with girls at that point. It's easy to spot that behaviour.
Isn't it just.
 
So many posts in here scream of insecurity though, it's like when I was a teenager hanging out with my equally nerdy mates and we'd talk crap about the older/cooler guys because we were jealous/insecure and not doing very well with girls at that point. It's easy to spot that behaviour.

I'd disagree, the posts that appear a straight copypasta from reddit groups like redpill and mgtow come across far more insecure to me. Basically, switching up your entire existence to try and get sex whilst simultaneously turning yourself into a complete chode. There's no denying that type of stuff works on a subset of younger women but it's definitely not healthy relationship advice.
 
Spicy maybe but for any idea to be sufficiently valid it needs to be able to survive the crucible of open debate. Your not debating me are you?

I’ll concede that. Yes while it was a response to the previous guy stating what an attractive guy in his 30’s looks like it could also be construed as been a guide how to get laid.

Would you concede that been able to get laid is not a bad prerequisite to abundance, choice and ultimately your ability to choose a relationship with a person? I think therefore it isn’t the wrong thread. What do you think is the alternative?

I was in this thread previously complaining about my third time getting zero’ed out emotionally due to bad relationship choices. I stopped accepting what I was getting, and my desire for the world to conform with how I thought it should be and started looking it objectively. I didn’t like all the answers but I least I can see what I was doing wrong,

I am choosing not to follow your "rules". Largely because I do not agree with your objectifying angles in your post. I don't have to explain why and I choose not to.

Maybe its my "age" but I prefer to think of having the relationship as the aim and the "getting laid" is a bonus. But what would I know (really!). I've been "stuck" with the same woman for last 28 years :D
 
I'd disagree, the posts that appear a straight copypasta from reddit groups like redpill and mgtow come across far more insecure to me. Basically, switching up your entire existence to try and get sex whilst simultaneously turning yourself into a complete chode. There's no denying that type of stuff works on a subset of younger women but it's definitely not healthy relationship advice.

Thank you. Agree. (and love the Chode reference - great show Tripping the Rift!)
 
I'd disagree, the posts that appear a straight copypasta from reddit groups like redpill and mgtow come across far more insecure to me. Basically, switching up your entire existence to try and get sex whilst simultaneously turning yourself into a complete chode. There's no denying that type of stuff works on a subset of younger women but it's definitely not healthy relationship advice.

Agreed. Good post.

Thank you. Agree. (and love the Chode reference - great show Tripping the Rift!)

And also agree.

Maybe we can get back to normal relationship advice and leave the alpha beta blockers to their reddits and their miscs and so on.
 
I'd disagree, the posts that appear a straight copypasta from reddit groups like redpill and mgtow come across far more insecure to me. Basically, switching up your entire existence to try and get sex whilst simultaneously turning yourself into a complete chode. There's no denying that type of stuff works on a subset of younger women but it's definitely not healthy relationship advice.

But this is nothing like any of those sub reddits, it's literally saying go to the gym and hang out in places where there's women, you're just being hyperbolic and making things up. Why don't you critique the post and point out with what you disagree? Oh right, because when you break it down there's actually nothing really inherently wrong with what was posted and it's easier to generalise the whole thing
 
And also agree.

Maybe we can get back to normal relationship advice and leave the alpha beta blockers to their reddits and their miscs and so on.

You have never posted any relationship advice good or bad, you just grief the forum by critiquing other people's post and rarely posting anything of substance.
 
But this is nothing like any of those sub reddits, it's literally saying go to the gym and hang out in places where there's women, you're just being hyperbolic and making things up. Why don't you critique the post and point out with what you disagree? Oh right, because when you break it down there's actually nothing really inherently wrong with what was posted and it's easier to generalise the whole thing

It doesn't really need breaking down as there's not much to it. Advice like, get in better shape, earn more money etc is pretty empty stuff. I'm sure people are already aware that being in great shape or having high levels of disposable income are good ways to impress younger women.

How long is it going to take a 30-40 year old bloke coming out of a marriage to get in great shape or get wealthy so he can start hanging out in Soho impressing all these young hotties? You know, a place full of attractive young men their own age or slightly older who I'm pretty sure they'd rather have sex with despite the leased 3 series beamer you've got to drive around in.

It's obvious it's similar content to what you find on those subreddits with the terminology he used in his post. It's pretty funny you talk about being hyperbolic when you're defending a post with nonsense like this "Learning game and been able to manage girls in the psychological as that’s where they exist primarily. You have to be able to confidently manage her moods or she will work this out and manipulate you."
 
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It doesn't really need breaking down as there's not much to it. Advice like, get in better shape, earn more money etc is pretty empty stuff. I'm sure people are already aware that being in great shape or having high levels of disposable income are good ways to impress younger women.

How long is it going to take a 30-40 year old bloke coming out of a marriage to get in great shape or get wealthy so he can start hanging out in Soho impressing all these young hotties? You know, a place full of attractive young men their own age or slightly older who I'm pretty sure they'd rather have sex with despite the leased 3 series beamer you've got to drive around in.

You're changing what was said. Again you're being hyperbolic, it was not posted to have "high levels of disposable income" to attract "young" women. What was posted is below. There's nothing in there that says go around in a leased BMW 3 series to get girls, you aren't being intellectually honest so perhaps if you have to make things up in you're argument then you just aren't correct

7. Having money. This is going to look different for different guys but you need to be not broke with some savings and some buffers against potential issues. Hot girls don’t want broke guys generally speaking, especially in there 30’s, although there are exceptions. Learn how to manage and invest your money.

OMG, have savings and learn to manage your money?!


It's obvious it's similar content to what you find on those subreddits with the terminology he used in his post. It's pretty funny you talk about being hyperbolic when you're defending a post with nonsense like this "Learning game and been able to manage girls in the psychological as that’s where they exist primarily. You have to be able to confidently manage her moods or she will work this out and manipulate you."

You're angry with the terminology, not with the actual content of the post. The content of the post is pretty solid, you just saw the word "game" and started frothing.
 
You're changing what was said. Again you're being hyperbolic, it was not posted to have "high levels of disposable income" to attract "young" women. What was posted is below. There's nothing in there that says go around in a leased BMW 3 series to get girls, you aren't being intellectually honest so perhaps if you have to make things up in you're argument then you just aren't correct



OMG, have savings and learn to manage your money?!




You're angry with the terminology, not with the actual content of the post. The content of the post is pretty solid, you just saw the word "game" and started frothing.

Not frothing about it at all actually, you seem to be the one taking issue with defending his nonsense so vehemently?

I'm not "angry with the terminology" just calling it out for what it is, stuff you would find in PUA books from the 90's/2000's. Perhaps just tell the guy to read Neill Straus' book instead?

How are you going to show one of these hot girls you aren't broke without you know, showing you aren't broke? I find it pretty funny you've taken my post so literally about the mention of a leased BMW. I was simply pointing out that for money to be an initial factor you would need to somehow flaunt it.

"Having money" isn't going to help the poster this initial discussion was based on helping. He's either already in that position or it's going to take time to set up some savings and investments so it doesn't do anything for his current dating experience.
 
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Can't wait to talk about Discworld, The Expanse and Warhammer 40K novels with the next hot chick I meet :D

But those are the keepers! :D

There are a lot of girls who are pretty. I don't really get the concern between (let's put it on a 1-10 scale) 7-10.
Like as long as someone is attractive surely that's enough? Unless you are constantly comparing?

The rest however is important.
A 10/10 who is dead boring? Or a 7/10 who is a kayaking geek? I'll take the latter!


You can see a fair few posters who start with 'pretty' as the top trait. This is just not the most important thing. Yes. You have to be attracted. But it's absolutely not the deal breaker.

Finding people who are compatible/good for you is much harder, takes time and is not easy.
 
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