*** The Official HTC One M8 Thread ***

[Shocky-FM]

I don't get the problem with benchmarks. Isn't it just like Turbo mode on my i7? It has a "normal" speed, a lower "idle" speed for power saving, and a "higher turbo" speed for when it needs it.

It's dishonest and HTC is the only manufacturer left doing this.

But it's not boost mode, it basically just forces the performance governor which locks the device at the max clockspeeds while running a benchmark, which is not how normal applications or games are handled so the result is false and does not represent normal usage.

Honestly who cares about Phone benchmarks? You buy a Phone so long has it does the tasks in hand Great. Do people really buy based on that information?

I can tell you one thing M8 is anything but slow it kills everything you through at it. The performance for from me coming from HTC OneX what was already fast is mind blown.

Battery life is unreal for me the best I have seen in a phone, I getting charge cycles like you see in a laptop avg 4-5 hours screen time.

Based on a single benchmark result? of course not. But it doesn't change the fact they are cheating, 3DMark has already delisted the HTC One M8 because they also found HTC to be cheating.

The HTC One X was slow, I doubt you would even be able to tell the difference between Snapdragon 600 and 800.

 

[Matteysan]

It's dishonest and HTC is the only manufacturer left doing this.

But it's not boost mode, it basically just forces the performance governor which locks the device at the max clockspeeds while running a benchmark, which is not how normal applications or games are handled so the result is false and does not represent normal usage.

Apparently so i was reading i'll have to find the source, but they are giving this option under developer options. So i don't see what the problem is.


Source I read it from:

http://www.talkandroid.com/201751-htc-admits-to-boosting-benchmarks-on-the-m8/

 

[Shocky-FM]

Apparently so i was reading i'll have to find the source, but they are giving this option under developer options. So i don't see what the problem is.

Source I read it from:

http://www.talkandroid.com/201751-htc-admits-to-boosting-benchmarks-on-the-m8/

That option is not available on all HTC One M8 devices, only in asia.

There are still questions regarding this, Is it enabled by default? will the switch enable or disable benchmark detection or will it simply force the CPU/GPU to max clockspeeds?

If it's the latter I hope they hide the option well or users may end up damaging their phones.

 

[shankly1985]

It's dishonest and HTC is the only manufacturer left doing this.

But it's not boost mode, it basically just forces the performance governor which locks the device at the max clockspeeds while running a benchmark, which is not how normal applications or games are handled so the result is false and does not represent normal usage.



Based on a single benchmark result? of course not. But it doesn't change the fact they are cheating, 3DMark has already delisted the HTC One M8 because they also found HTC to be cheating.

The HTC One X was slow, I doubt you would even be able to tell the difference between Snapdragon 600 and 800.

The HTC onex had a tegra3 chip and was stunning. Tegra3 games where very nicely done, the Android jelly bean update improved the phone a lot.
Benchmark iI couldn't give a toss about them didn't Samsung do something last time also?

 

[shankly1985]

That option is not available on all HTC One M8 devices, only in asia.

There are still questions regarding this, Is it enabled by default? will the switch enable or disable benchmark detection or will it simply force the CPU/GPU to max clockspeeds?

If it's the latter I hope they hide the option well or users may end up damaging their phones.

Yeah I have it there I unlocked the Dev options and have high performance option. So if they did run there benchmark in high performance what's wrong with that?
LLike saying I not allowed to run my i7 in turbo mode.

 

[Shocky-FM]

The HTC onex had a tegra3 chip and was stunning. Tegra3 games where very nicely done, the Android jelly bean update improved the phone a lot.
Benchmark iI couldn't give a toss about them didn't Samsung do something last time also?

I had a number of Tegra 3 devices and hated them all, they were never smooth even with 4.4.2.

Samsung were doing the same thing last year but they have now removed all benchmark optimizations.

The thing is Samsung devices usually have better performance so they should be ahead in benchmarks anyway, that's not the case with the HTC One M8 or the M7.

HTC were also cheating last year with the HTC One, that's how it did so well in benchmarks compared to the Galaxy S4.

Yeah I have it there I unlocked the Dev options and have high performance option. So if they did run there benchmark in high performance what's wrong with that?
LLike saying I not allowed to run my i7 in turbo mode.

It's not real world performance, that's what's wrong with that.

i7 turbo mode changes the multiplier resulting in a higher max clockspeed, it has NOTHING in common with this issue.

 

[shankly1985]

I had a number of Tegra 3 devices and hated them all, they were never smooth even with 4.4.2.

Samsung were doing the same thing last year but they have now removed all benchmark optimizations.

The thing is Samsung devices usually have better performance so they should be ahead in benchmarks anyway, that's not the case with the HTC One M8 or the M7.

HTC were also cheating last year with the HTC One, that's how it did so well in benchmarks compared to the Galaxy S4.

Well I had my onex rooted and custom room so maybe that's why it was super fast for me. Onex was anything from slow for me.

 

[shankly1985]

I had a number of Tegra 3 devices and hated them all, they were never smooth even with 4.4.2.

Samsung were doing the same thing last year but they have now removed all benchmark optimizations.

The thing is Samsung devices usually have better performance so they should be ahead in benchmarks anyway, that's not the case with the HTC One M8 or the M7.

HTC were also cheating last year with the HTC One, that's how it did so well in benchmarks compared to the Galaxy S4.



It's not real world performance, that's what's wrong with that.

i7 turbo mode changes the multiplier resulting in a higher max clockspeed, it has NOTHING in common with this issue.

It's an option the user as if they want max performance. They is nothing wrong with it.
Like saying all benchmarks should ban cpu overckocking because there nnot real world performance lol give me a break
High performance on the m8 will keep the cpu clocked at 2.3ghz

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Why exactly is it such a big deal, they all use the same processor and the only marginal difference will be in the memory interfaces. What really matters is the phone itself, how does it feel, how does it look and is it functional for the purposes you require.

If your after a benchmark power house then might I point you to a different forum instead http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=7

 

[Fallen god]

I don't get the problem with benchmarks. Isn't it just like Turbo mode on my i7? It has a "normal" speed, a lower "idle" speed for power saving, and a "higher turbo" speed for when it needs it.

Typically the SoC in a phone won't run at max speed for much, mostly due to heat, what HTC and Samsung use too do is force it to run at max for much longer then it would in real life to boost benchmarks. I'm not exactly sure what HTC does but Samsung would remove the thermal limits so the SoC could get as hot as possible and never really slow down.

The real problem is most reviews include some form of benchmarking and when someone without a huge amount of knowledge googles what phone too get they will see 1 phone doing much better and that can skew them. There isn't any other reasons too do it as these OEM's for the most part don't sell the SoCs, and they all more or less use the same SoCs, it is solely to give the impression that they have somehow improved on the performance with their software. This is just dirty :/

Heres a nice image that anandtech did, by changing the name of a benchmark app you can see how the CPU reacts.

Spoiler

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review/6

 

[Shocky-FM]

It's an option the user as if they want max performance. They is nothing wrong with it.
Like saying all benchmarks should ban cpu overckocking because there nnot real world performance lol give me a break
High performance on the m8 will keep the cpu clocked at 2.3ghz

Of course there is a problem with that, your device will overheat very quickly if it's forced to run at the max clockspeeds, this is not good for the device and especially not the battery which is NOT replaceable.

If you want to ignore this information then it's your phone to screw up.

Well I had my onex rooted and custom room so maybe that's why it was super fast for me. Onex was anything from slow for me.

This is precisely why I don't listen to users regarding performance, users with limited experience will often think something is smooth when it's not.

 

[shankly1985]

Of course there is a problem with that, your device will overheat very quickly if it's forced to run at the max clockspeeds, this is not good for the device and especially not the battery which is NOT replaceable.

If you want to ignore this information then it's your phone to screw up.



This is precisely why I don't listen to users regarding performance, users with limited experience will often think something is smooth when it's not.



HTC is still doing this, that's why they've been caught out in benchmarks.

The high performance won't do anything to the battery lol it will drain it faster yes. But if you playing a demanding game in year or two and want max performance then it's a nice option to have.
What you saying is like laptop power setting on high performance will damage the battery lol you funny no it won't all it will do is again drain faster.

The roms I used on onex was all pure stock with root so I could use rooted apps.

 

[Shocky-FM]

The high performance won't do anything to the battery lol it will drain it faster yes.

Battery's don't like excessive heat, if you run your phone at max clockspeeds it will overheat very quickly.

Like I said, it's your phone, believe whatever you want, I don't care what you do with it.

 

[uscool]

my personal opinion , sense is super fast and no micro stutters / lag you seem to get on samsungs touchwiz no matter how powerful device is

i been through s2 , s3, s4, note 3, now using HTC one m8 sense for me is miles ahead hardly struggles also like the look of sense near stock with few extras added

i seen a few people navigating using S5 and seems they still have the same issues when you can see same lag, or when homescreen flickers , to refresh,

 

[memyselfandi]

Ok, got my phone this morning and have spent a lot of the day fiddling. Got a couple of questions though:

- On the right section of the notification bar at the top of the screen there's a square icon with what looks like a stylized N on it ... what might this be?

edit: ah ha ... it's NFC

- Chargers ... I see that it comes with 1.5A USB charger and that a higher ampage one is likely to come later to allow faster charging. Like most people I've got quite a few other USB chargers which are rated at ~1A ... will these still safely charge the phone (just more slowly)?

 

[Matteysan]

That option is not available on all HTC One M8 devices, only in asia.

There are still questions regarding this, Is it enabled by default? will the switch enable or disable benchmark detection or will it simply force the CPU/GPU to max clockspeeds?

If it's the latter I hope they hide the option well or users may end up damaging their phones.

The latter & thats the risk you take hence why it is in the developer options

It will be pushed to all devices eventually.

 

[shankly1985]

Another thing people should know ONE M8 is using the newer/faster ART Runtime but not by default. If HTC did there Bench using this also with High Performance then this will increase results a lot. I believe the M8 is the first phone to ship with the feature. But default its running the more stable Dalvik runtime.

To see the results yourself have a google ART vs Dalvik Android.

See here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1CHQwbCNsE

 

[uscool]

Hi, will using a 2amp rated charger , htc will release a 1.67amp charger later for fast charging , can i just use a 2amp for faster charging ?

also in browser i always get the black menu buttons, no matter what browser i try, would be great if it would disappear like when it does when viewing pictures and videos

Thanks

 

[kona786]

Hi, will using a 2amp rated charger , htc will release a 1.67amp charger later for fast charging , can i just use a 2amp for faster charging ?

also in browser i always get the black menu buttons, no matter what browser i try, would be great if it would disappear like when it does when viewing pictures and videos

Thanks

try it and see - using this app to monitor charging current:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.bmw

 

[Kyle009]

I assume I'm allowed to ask this (with jailbreaking discussion being ok) but how can I root my phone? Some of the apps I want to run require root.

Only information I can see is via a "WeakSauce" app but that only works with Verizon locked phones and on running that app nothing happens. I'm a complete Android noob so have never rooted before but I understand the pitfalls and dangers.