Poll: *** The Official iPhone 12 (12 mini/12/12Pro/12Pro Max) Thread ***
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Yeah I’ve just read that, wonder if they will also bump the price even though removing the charger and headphones is reported to be a ‘money saving exercise’?
To be fair, while it will save Apple and others a $ or two per unit the other impacts it has are well worth it IMO.
Consumer electronics are incredibly wasteful, massively over packaged (yes, Apple I am looking at you with your beautiful, well designed, high quality packaging that I rip open one and chuck in the bin) and have a huge environmental impact.
Getting rid of the charger and earphones that hardly anyone actually uses means they’ll be able to cut down on packaging and wasteful plastic. Not only that they’ll be able to get 30-50% more of them on a pallet saving a huge amount of transport CO2 shipping them around the world.
When I first read it I was in the “money grabbers” camp but when I thought about it a bit more I am all in. Don’t get me wrong it will save Apple a little cash but the BOM cost of those items is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things and wouldn’t translate into a meaningful price drop.
The amount Apple charge for those things as standalone is extortionate but expecting it to translate to a $60 drop on the phone it’s self if they were removed is wishful thing at best. In reality they have no bearing on the cost of the phone.
Consumer electronics are incredibly wasteful, massively over packaged (yes, Apple I am looking at you with your beautiful, well designed, high quality packaging that I rip open one and chuck in the bin) and have a huge environmental impact.
Getting rid of the charger and earphones that hardly anyone actually uses means they’ll be able to cut down on packaging and wasteful plastic. Not only that they’ll be able to get 30-50% more of them on a pallet saving a huge amount of transport CO2 shipping them around the world.
When I first read it I was in the “money grabbers” camp but when I thought about it a bit more I am all in. Don’t get me wrong it will save Apple a little cash but the BOM cost of those items is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things and wouldn’t translate into a meaningful price drop.
The amount Apple charge for those things as standalone is extortionate but expecting it to translate to a $60 drop on the phone it’s self if they were removed is wishful thing at best. In reality they have no bearing on the cost of the phone.
The entity which is "Apple"* doesn't really have a conscience. Sure the people who work there care about stuff, but it's the shareholders the company is looking after. If Apple removes the charger, it's because it saves them money and also because they believe their customers will approve of a company that is seen to be "environmentally friendly." A financial win-win. Apple save money and people think they're a cuddly friend to the environment, instead of a rapacious corporation.
If nobody cared about the environment, Apple would happily pump out a few million tons of CO2 if it would save them a thousandth of a cent on every dollar.
* replace Apple with almost any corporation depending on situation.
If nobody cared about the environment, Apple would happily pump out a few million tons of CO2 if it would save them a thousandth of a cent on every dollar.
* replace Apple with almost any corporation depending on situation.
Latest rumours:
120hz looks to be out, failing tests according to Max Weinbach sources in addition to a display analyst saying he’s found no evidence of 120hz this year.
Final decision on this apparently this week.
No charging brick or EarPods, only usb cable.
Previous pricing leaks may be inaccurate, base phones may actually be $50 more than current pricing.
120hz looks to be out, failing tests according to Max Weinbach sources in addition to a display analyst saying he’s found no evidence of 120hz this year.
Final decision on this apparently this week.
No charging brick or EarPods, only usb cable.
Previous pricing leaks may be inaccurate, base phones may actually be $50 more than current pricing.
Yeah they need that 120Hz screen but they won’t do it like Samsung did (making users choose between resolution and refresh rate), or the way OnePlus did it (sacrifice battery life). Either they’ll get LTPO ready, or we’ll have to wait another year.
Maybe they’ll use 5G to differentiate between the normal and pro ones.
I had a OP 8 Pro, forced to run 120hz in every app, and there was absolutely no sacrifice to the battery life. I could get an easy 7 hours screen on time, sometimes as high as 8 hours, so I don’t know why Apple can’t achieve a similarly excellent result given that iOS doesn’t lose nearly as much battery when in standby.
It’s not about getting 7-8 hours, it’s about how much you lose if you go 120Hz compared to 60Hz on the same phone. Just because you get 7-8 hours of battery doesn’t mean there was no sacrifice. It just means the sacrifice was worth it to you. Your own phone will get a a few more hours of battery life if you reverted back to 60Hz.
I have the OP 7 Pro, and the 90Hz option definitely drops the battery life by 20-30% compared to 60Hz. This is also worth it to me, but is nevertheless a sacrifice. This is the case across all phones. All reviews confirm that the effect of higher refresh rate screens on battery life is significant.
iPhone 11 Pros get 13-14 hours of web browsing screen time at the moment. If this was dropped to 8-9 hours because of a 120Hz screen, is it really difficult to see why Apple wouldn’t go for that when they can do it next year with LTPO displays and a much smaller sacrifice?
I think your 30% is high end and 20% is closer to the reality. Anandtech found a 22% difference between 120hz and 60hz on the 8 Pro, with other sites estimating similar. This is on Android - Apple may come up with better ways to control the battery drain.
The hope is that Apple increase the battery size in the two phones by a few percent (already rumoured to happen), accept a small decrease in screen on time and then at the keynote, state "battery life about the same as iPhone 11".
Or they cancel 120hz and put out two "Pro" models that are more or less identical hardware-wise to the non-Pro models and push high refresh back a year, relying on 5G as the selling point for this year's model.
You see Apple never accepts a decrease the battery life of their products. This is part of their commitment to consistency. They will want to avoid a 2016 Macbook Pro mess at all costs, where they advertised battery life that was supposed to be about the same as the last generation, and it wasn't in early versions (fixed later with software updates). And all review sites raised hell on them even though Apple wasn't wrong and in the end those Macbooks ended up being fine products. It was a massive PR nightmare, they're gonna avoid that at all costs on their iPhone lineup.
Now that they've released products with 13-14 hours of screen time, it can never go down. And I don't think they can release non-LTPO OLED 120Hz using current technology while keeping battery life the same. Maybe they can increase thickness, I don't think they will because iPhones are pretty thick and heavy nowadays anyway.
Yeah, or maybe they have another ace up their sleeves to differentiate the pros that hasn't been leaked.
I think the days of "one more thing" died with Steve Jobs, so I'll be surprised if they have anything in the bag.
As it happens, I'm using an iPhone 6s at the moment (3½ hours SoT at best!) and I'm once again reminded how nice it is to have a phone that drops into my pocket without the top third sticking out. If 120hz doesn't happen this year, I might just buy a 5.4" standard 12 if the battery life is okay and get the following year's model with 120hz.
I'm sure the 5.4 inch one will be tempting as hell to many people.
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I find it weird how a few years ago when apple were making small phones, everyone would complain and wanted bigger phones, and now we've gone back to wanting small phones.
Personally I still prefer a bigger phone
I would say these are different subsets of users. Some (like me) prefer larger phones. But there definitely is a market for smaller ones.
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Apple are making the batteries smaller compared with last years models
https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/i...aked-and-its-not-the-disaster-you-think-it-is
?????
Seriously wtf is wrong with apple? They were on such a good path in the past year, and with the 12 they looked to have ****** everything up with the phones this year. no 120hz, smaller battery, wonder what else we're gonna be missing? This years phone looks to be a big disappointment
https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/i...aked-and-its-not-the-disaster-you-think-it-is
?????
Seriously wtf is wrong with apple? They were on such a good path in the past year, and with the 12 they looked to have ****** everything up with the phones this year. no 120hz, smaller battery, wonder what else we're gonna be missing? This years phone looks to be a big disappointment
Doesn't look good at all. Not sure why they'd make the battery smaller, I know they're saving some on CPU consumption with A14 and going to 5nm, looks like they're going to make the devices thinner instead.
Isn't there a difference between the stated capacity and the actual capacity of a battery? I wonder how those would tally up with the new figures and the tear-down figures of the batteries in the current 11 series.
I have read that these new battery rumours are from a source not known to be reliable.
I have read that these new battery rumours are from a source not known to be reliable.
I get the environmental implications of packing chargers year after year when many go unused. My own personal grievance here is that the 11 pro is the first iPhone since the 3G that I’ve not annually upgraded to. The 11 pro came bundled with the fast charging usb-c (18w?) charger and if I now go to a 12 I miss out on that quick charge and have to buy a probably £50+ set up. Plug and cable set up (Apple original)