The Official Prometheus (Alien Prequel) Thread

Glaucus said:
I don't agree in the slightest. It's like saying an action film is poorly written as 10million shots are fired and no one dies.
It's a film, it's not reality.
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It's nothing like saying that at all, don't be silly.

You're really misunderstanding my point here: I'm not saying the film has to be realistic. Believe it or not, it's films like this which draw me to cinema; the kind where one has to suspend one's disbelief. But there are better ways to place your characters in peril instead of having a falling ship about to crush them. I'm not taking issue with how "real" that scene is, I'm taking issue with how poorly written it was.

And I've thought of another totally unexplained plot hole:

No one bats an eyelid or ever asks Shaw any questions when she suddenly arrives covered in blood with a stapled stomach. David shows some mild sort of annoyance at the fact she has aborted the alien fetus but it's never mentioned thereafter. Massive oversight there. You would've thought that someone would ask why she appears to be in constant pain when she decides to go with Weyland et al.
 
That's easy to explain, David was ordered to do it by wayland. So they knew what happened to her.
She by that time also knew David infected them.
 
Glaucus said:
That's easy to explain, David was ordered to do it by wayland. So they knew what happened to her.
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You've missed my point again.

I know WHY David wanted her to keep the fetus. Just no one else asks her why she's such a state after she has surgery performed on her.

Shaw took it upon her self to abort the alien fetus when David had just sedated her to put her back into hypersleep. Not a single person asks why she's just arrived, covered in blood with a stapled stomach. She even has a conversation with Janek while she's putting on her spacesuit, clearly in pain, and he never mentions it.
 
I haven't missed your point at all, they know what has happened to her. Vickers and David know wayland is on board and what had happened.
 
It's not just David and Weyland in that room though. Ford, who is a medic, is also in the room with Weyland and David and she doesn't bat an eyelid. You'd have thought a medic would say something to someone covered in blood, eh?
 
Woody__ said:
It's not just David and Weyland in that room though. Ford, who is a medic, is also in the room with Weyland and David and she doesn't bat an eyelid. You'd have thought a medic would say something to someone covered in blood, eh?
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And it's not just them who know is it. She's taken to the medical bay, then they try preparing her for statsis. Everyone knows.

Picking holes in an action/horror film, where they are expected to enhance the film. Then spchange your mind, it's no longer they're running in the wrong direction, know you don't think it matters what direction. It's just bad writing which ever direction. Then why say they should have run side ways and it would off been so easy and made so much sense.
 
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It's only David who is in the medical bay when they find out she has a fetus in her.

See, this is the problem with the bad writing. When the others attempt to put her back into hypersleep and she wakes up after being sedated, Ford merely states that she's infected and should be put to sleep to be taken back to Earth. Literally one more sentence from her would have cleared up the confusion of if she knew Shaw was pregnant or not. But it's just not there. We have no way of finding out that "everyone knows".

It's bad writing.

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Also, regardless of whether they know the reason performed surgery on herself or not, she still shows up in PAIN covered in blood with a stapled stomach to a room full of medical personnel and no one mentions this, ask why shes in pain or try to help her. As I said: poor writing.
 
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It's not bad writing, so know if you aren't drip feed every little thing and story is in real time it's bad writing. Make up your mind.

Which is it, should run in opposite direction, or bad writing. You seem to flip and flop about when shown that action films are based on reality and running sideways isn't easy, doesn't make sense and would still die.

We get it, you don't like it. But you are trying way to hard to dislike it and find points where there isn't any.
 
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Glaucus said:
It's not bad writing, so know if you aren't drip feed every little thing and story is in real time it's bad writing. Make up your mind.

Which is it, should run in opposite direction, or bad writing. You seem to flip and flop about when shown that action films are based on reality and running sideways isn't easy, doesn't make sense and would still die.
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You're brilliant, you.

I didn't any thing about being drip fed anything. I said I have no problem with suspending my disbelief. By the way, one can still write good action films where one must suspend one's disbelief and also be a good writer into the bargain. My mind is made up: it's bad writing. That's been my point all along.

Yes, run in an opposite direction, use a different plot device, put the characters in danger another way just do it WELL. I don't care how its done, just preserve the internal logic of the film, do write it in a good way which is not rubbish.

Let's get this straight once and for all: we are watching a film which is fundamentally removed from reality, that's why it's sci-fi. I haven't mentioned anything about "action films based on reality", you have. What I'm questioning is the internal logic of the film.

RE: the falling spaceship - there are better ways to do this. Some of them are massively unrealistic, I presume, but I'd have no issue with that as long as it was good. You seem to be confusing what I think as "good" as "believable". I'm not. Stop making that mistake.

RE: the surgery scene - it's not about people "realistically reacting" to Shaw, it's about simply reacting to a situation in a logical way. The medic has previously shown concern about Shaw being infected and thus tried to put her into hypersleep. So it breaks the logic of the film when Shaw arrives in front of her covered in blood, in pain and with a stapled stomach and does nothing about it. That's bad writing.

Realism is not the issue. Good writing is.

EDIT: more to the point, I didn't dislike it. I just thought it was average with holes. I'd watch it again. It's better than many other Alien franchise films and many other Ridley Scott films. One can still be critical regardless of how good or bad something is.
 
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Reacting in a logical way, that they know what is happening, that some people are infected, that they need to escape at any cost, blah blah blah. Yes that is a logical way to react with such screwed up do anything to win people, like vickers and wetland.

Running sideways, would not make the writing any more logical or good.

Anyway enough is enough.

They have said it leaves many tantalizing questions and given half a chance they will do a sequal. That will diverge even further away from the original storyline/universe.
 
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But their reactions or lack thereof make zero sense. It's not a little niggle i'm picking its a huge part of the film and no one even reacts. She doesn't react to what has happened to her, medical staff don't react to getting their ass kicked from her, no one chases her despite it apparently being so important she goes into hyper sleep, she doesn't mention and no one investigates the alien that has been pulled out of her, captain doesn't ask why she's a mess. Nothing.

It is just something they chucked in te film which was pointless, not explained and then ignored. In fact I am actually beginning to believe the only reason that scene was in there at all was so an alien thing could gank the Engineer.

It has nothing to do with suspending belief or using your imagination and everything to do with bad and incoherent writing.
 
Went and saw it last night with the missus in 3d...lots of unanswered questions from me and the missus and some of the plot just didnt make any sense.

But otherwise we both enjoyed it, looks like there will be a sequel with the way they left things at the end.

Wouldnt say its one of the best movies ive seen this yr but it wasnt too bad..7/10 for me really.
 
Just saw, I didnt like it. It was a mess, it looked good in some ways, but the plot and everything was just a mess it looks as if it was thrown together, by someone whom has no clue about science or biology, or just things that make sense in general. Characters that dont behave like real people, I love fiction but if the characters behave like aliens then I'm not engaged.

The way we're supposedly made at the beginning. He seeds the DNA which arrives at us a million or so years later. And it happens to perfectly match his DNA a million years later? Mind Bogglingly stupid.

There's a hundred other problems but its reduced what was an interesting mythos that wasnt fleshed out too much, which made it more plausible, where they've added more details too it and now the whole thing just falls apart.
 
Glaucus said:
They have said it leaves many tantalizing questions and given half a chance they will do a sequal. That will diverge even further away from the original storyline/universe.
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Fact is, though, it's a standalone film -- not the first episode of a series, as much as Lindelof appears to hope it is. People don't need to be drip-fed every minor detail at all, but to be so deliberately obtuse in so many areas is insulting.

The plot holes and inconsistencies are legion, and really can't be written off as easily as you appear to insist.
 
Saw it tonight in 3D, overall i enjoyed the film despite its numerous plot holes and the fact the whole thing felt like a setup for a sequel. Also the 3d looked really good in this film, it seemed to work and feel natural in it.
 
Huge disappointment.

Script makes absolutely no sense from start to finish.

I'd score Alien and Aliens as 5/5 movies. I'd score Prometheus as 3/5, and good for a single viewing only. I won't watch it again.
 
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