I think what you'll find it is more of is that developers are relying on upscaling and now frame generation to avoid optimising their games rather than it directly being the hardwares fault but alas when you have tech press like HUB and the community who only point the finger at the hardware manufacturers and not the game devs like Alex/DF do then things will never improve i.e. keep enjoying paying ££££ every 2 years to keep up with **** optimised games.
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I think what you'll find it is more of is that developers are relying on upscaling and now frame generation to avoid optimising their games rather than it directly being the hardwares fault but alas when you have tech press like HUB and the community who only point the finger at the hardware manufacturers and not the game devs like Alex/DF do then things will never improve i.e. keep enjoying paying ££££ every 2 years to keep up with **** optimised games.
Soldato
Alex/DF the 1 of 2 sites to PRAISE the 4060Ti. Says it all really.
Praise?
OCUK RTX4060TI review thread
If amd gives you worse for same price then its a different story. Hope amds counter to this has no less than 12gb vram Don't we already know (or it's rumoured) that AMD's 7600 cards are 8GB? It wouldn't be at all out of character for AMD to attack nVidia's lack of VRAM and then do exactly the...
forums.overclockers.co.uk
OCUK RTX4060TI review thread
https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qc_bench/views/85406
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Doesn't look like praising to me.....
Either way, whatever their bias may be towards hardware manufacturers, that doesn't change the fact that their in depth analysis on games and issues are second to none, there is a huge problem with pc game releases now and that needs to change first and more than anything else otherwise we can keep on being mugs and paying for new hardware every 2 years and relying on likes of frame generation to bypass CPU utilisation issues and so on, if games weren't released in such a **** state, we wouldn't need frame generation or upscaling (well I would still use DLSS for the better AA etc.)
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To be fair to the devs I'd say hardware has to come first. They won't make games that can use better hardware until that hardware is in many hands. At the moment neither AMD or Nvidia seem to be interested in giving us that leap forward in specs. I suspect it's because they can see the console cycle and they are aware of a slowing of the rate of improvement and want/need to hold it back and stretch out the rate of improvement. Makes perfect business sense but not so good for the PC gamer.
Soldato
I mean it takes two to tango there. But I think the truth is the less affordable PC gaming is, the smaller the market will be, the less developers will be willing to spend money on optimising for the platform. Releasing poor value GPUs which don't drive sales propagates the issue. It's real death spiral stuff.
Soldato
were back to what is the most popular cards on the steam survey - and its not the £1500 monsters
What good is the hardware if they aren't making use of said hardware in the first place? i.e. see **** poor cpu utilisation in a lot of games now and shock horror, the only way to overcome this is by using frame generation. The only thing the likes of a 4090 is good for right now is to brute force/avoid issues, it is not providing any real benefit/leap forward in the graphics department over other gpus, that's my issue with these top end gpus and all the vram in the world, what good is it if they aren't providing these super duper visuals that really shows over the lesser hardware/graphical settings.
The biggest problem is the fact that an equivalent specced pc to the ps5/xbx often now performs worse than said consoles..... if that doesn't show that there is a serious problem with pc ports then I don't know what will.
PC games need to start implementing direct storage (and a good implementation) to resolve a lot of these issues, that or/and dump UE 4 already.
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Soldato
Yeah definitely but in terms of health of the platform, a lot of people are using e.g. GTX 1650s. Those people are probably looking at a lot of recent games and won't even be able to play them because it's so weak. Market fragmentation right there.
It's those systems you need to get upgraded/replaced but there's not a lot out there at that price point to make it worthwhile (it was about £150 in 2019 and still is!). Maybe more recently the 6600 is close but not quite there, plus the difficulty of selling Nv users on AMD.
Others still will look at a system, "ooh let's get a 4k monitor because that's the thing at the moment and they're only £300. A system that will drive that appears to be... At least £2k" and nope right out of there.
Soldato
Money pinching parasites. The reason why Navi 33 is hardly any quicker then Navi 23 is AMD have shrunk the die by 16% (237mm to 203mm) and some of the die space has given up to AI cores that do bugger all at this present time.
No wonder efficiency isn't there, it's been clocked to an inch of it's life to make up for performance lost from less silicon. It's only saving grace is it's price but it's incredible frustrating to see the price/performance line hasn't moved.
No wonder efficiency isn't there, it's been clocked to an inch of it's life to make up for performance lost from less silicon. It's only saving grace is it's price but it's incredible frustrating to see the price/performance line hasn't moved.
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Soldato
Just had a thought, given Navi 33 was a monolithic design that needs it's own mask and design AMD should have seriously considered dropping the RT cores (nobody is playing with ray tracing on this level of card) and hand that die space over for additional rasteration cores.
Soldato
Except frame generation isnt the fix at all - its fixing the cpu , as CP2077 have done. That went from heavily single threaded to vastly multithreaded which equated to lower ram useage and a far smoother experience.
If only they supported SLI. Cheap enough now to buy a pair.
Exactly it is on the "game" devs to fix the issues with game optimisation such as cpu usage, not for people to go out and buy more powerful hardware with features to overcome such issues.
They'd get absolutely hammered for not having the ray tracing box ticked. The Nvidia zealots already bang on about "features" non-stop as it is. It being a crap experience is (apparently) beside the point.
So its a clocked 6650xt with ai cores that don't really do anything, yet, for about the price of a 6650xt on release
So buy a £230 6650xt or bump to a 6700xt for a little over £300
It's filling a gap in the market that didn't need filling?
So buy a £230 6650xt or bump to a 6700xt for a little over £300
It's filling a gap in the market that didn't need filling?
Soldato
Because those 6650XT or 6700XT will leave sales channels sooner than later, so it might not be a card for now, but end of the summer it could well be - as is the 4060.
Don
Pretty much
The 7800XT is the part that should really have been launched, as would probably have cleaned up if released at a decent price
Caporegime
Caporegime
My post was deleted for "RT bickering" ? eh? i don't even remember what i said but i'm pretty sure it wasn't anything to do with RT, i have zero interest in commenting much of anything re: this card its just so meh, the very least AMD could have done is overprice it massively so it has something about it worth bickering, how rude of them....
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