The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

kayone · 6 Sep 2019 at 15:23

humbug said:
Why not give AMD a chance to put it right before passing judgement?

Agreed completely. It's a very bold and brave move form AMD to put their hands up and looking to rectify.

WT3-Bey · 7 Sep 2019 at 13:32

I finally have my new rig running after a nightmare with intermittently faulty RAM. Is there any point in overclocking a 3600? Will it help in games etc. I’ve yet to see mine hit 4150mhz on HWMonitor.

humbug · 7 Sep 2019 at 13:59

WT3-Bey said:
I finally have my new rig running after a nightmare with intermittently faulty RAM. Is there any point in overclocking a 3600? Will it help in games etc. I’ve yet to see mine hit 4150mhz on HWMonitor.

No, but if you want to learn how to tune your RAM with DRam Calc you could see upto 20% FPS gains.

Having said that this would only apply where the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU, which i think is probably unlikely unless its an RTX 2080TI?

Watch this, its interesting if nothing else..

DragonQ · 7 Sep 2019 at 16:20

humbug said:
No, but if you want to learn how to tune your RAM with DRam Calc you could see upto 20% FPS gains.

Having said that this would only apply where the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU, which i think is probably unlikely unless its an RTX 2080TI?

Watch this, its interesting if nothing else..

Has anyone done any analysis regarding which RAM timings are actually worth playing with? I suspect primary timings account for something like 90% of the performance improvements gained by manually tuning timings.

WT3-Bey · 7 Sep 2019 at 16:47

humbug said:
No, but if you want to learn how to tune your RAM with DRam Calc you could see upto 20% FPS gains.

Having said that this would only apply where the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU, which i think is probably unlikely unless its an RTX 2080TI?

Watch this, its interesting if nothing else..

Cheers Pal. Worth looking into for those sorts of gains. Not OC’d ram before though. No doubt it will be a massive battle in the bios

WT3-Bey · 7 Sep 2019 at 16:48

This forum needs to update its emojis, they are rubbish..

humbug · 7 Sep 2019 at 16:53

WT3-Bey said:
Cheers Pal. Worth looking into for those sorts of gains. Not OC’d ram before though. No doubt it will be a massive battle in the bios

Use Ryzen Master on the Descktop, makes life so much easier

DragonQ said:
Has anyone done any analysis regarding which RAM timings are actually worth playing with? I suspect primary timings account for something like 90% of the performance improvements gained by manually tuning timings.

I don't know but using DRam Calc i managed to get some on those Sub-Timings down a significant amount from Default or XMP.

Main timings at 3000MT/s (XMP) are 16-17-17-38-56

DRam Calc Main is 3333MT/s 16-19-18-30-42.

Other timings like:

TRFC from 500 to 448
TCKE from 8 to 1
TWR from 12 to 10
TRTP from 12 to 10

On Auto at 3333MT/s the main timing run at 18-21-21.

Phil Smith · 7 Sep 2019 at 18:01

kayone said:
So what are peoples thoughts on the news that AMD have suggested they can push out further optimisations to ensure better (to advertised) booting via the BIOS?

There seems to be quite a few people who are misunderstanding what the advertised boost clocks mean. I've had to point out to several folk that it shouldn't be surprising that their 3600 isn't boosting to 4.2GHz on all cores at the same time.

juno_first · 8 Sep 2019 at 11:22

Phil Smith said:
There seems to be quite a few people who are misunderstanding what the advertised boost clocks mean. I've had to point out to several folk that it shouldn't be surprising that their 3600 isn't boosting to 4.2GHz on all cores at the same time.

My 3600x won't exceed 4105 on any core with a x570 Asus TUF. Even a single core load test.
The only way hit 4.4 is overclock all the cores to 4.4, which is stable/none throttling at 72c under all core load.
There's obviously an issue with the bios as the bits can do it.

gpuerrilla · 9 Sep 2019 at 10:34

juno_first said:
My 3600x won't exceed 4105 on any core with a x570 Asus TUF. Even a single core load test.
The only way hit 4.4 is overclock all the cores to 4.4, which is stable/none throttling at 72c under all core load.
There's obviously an issue with the bios as the bits can do it.

They are releasing updates to assist this and will trickle down to the mobo vendors which hopefully wont be a) too long and b) unstable in some way shape or form after.

subbytna · 9 Sep 2019 at 12:44

WT3-Bey said:
This forum needs to update its emojis, they are rubbish..

100%

WT3-Bey · 9 Sep 2019 at 13:14

juno_first said:
My 3600x won't exceed 4105 on any core with a x570 Asus TUF. Even a single core load test.
The only way hit 4.4 is overclock all the cores to 4.4, which is stable/none throttling at 72c under all core load.
There's obviously an issue with the bios as the bits can do it.

Hi.

What voltage did you use to get 4.4? I managed to get mine to 4.2 stable using 1.325v. This was just adjusting the multiplier and cpu voltage, didn’t tweak any other settings. Highest temp I saw was 67 degrees during a 20 cycle IBT (very high) stress test.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

juno_first · 9 Sep 2019 at 13:18

WT3-Bey said:
Hi.

What voltage did you use to get 4.4? I managed to get mine to 4.2 stable using 1.325v. This was just adjusting the multiplier and cpu voltage, didn’t tweak any other settings. Highest temp I saw was 67 degrees during a 20 cycle IBT (very high) stress test.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

WT3-Bey · 9 Sep 2019 at 13:25

juno_first said:

Wow that was quick.. Thanks buddy. Your bios looks good, much better than MSI.

Going to have a play now, cheers.

WT3-Bey · 9 Sep 2019 at 16:10

juno_first said:

You must have a good chip there as I can’t get above 4200 stable. 4300 won’t boot, 4250 needs 1.41 and fails IBT stress test after about 30 mins, with a temp of 77 degrees.

Psycho Sonny · 9 Sep 2019 at 17:01

WT3-Bey said:
You must have a good chip there as I can’t get above 4200 stable. 4300 won’t boot, 4250 needs 1.41 and fails IBT stress test after about 30 mins, with a temp of 77 degrees.

are you using a 3600x or 3600?

juno_first · 9 Sep 2019 at 17:24

Yeah best not try all core 4.4 on a 3600 as they are 65w

michty_me · 9 Sep 2019 at 17:25

I've just taken delivery of my 3600. Just need my motherboard to ship and I am good to go!

WT3-Bey · 9 Sep 2019 at 18:13

Psycho Sonny said:
are you using a 3600x or 3600?

It’s a 3600. Got a banging deal on eBay. £159.99 and free postage.

Probably not the best binned though.

R5 3600
MSI B450 Tomahawk Max
8 pack 3600mhz cas 16 RAM
NH D15
1080ti Gigabyte Aorus
Seasonic 750w platinum
Coolmaster Cosmos 2
Samsung 34 UWHD

That’s what I’m playing with. Loving it so far. Beats my old 8320, 7950 1080p setup

Phixsator · 9 Sep 2019 at 18:50

I got myself the 3600 today to replace my 2600. Stock run on my GB aorus M B450 board was around 1580ish in Cinebench r15. Wasnt impressed with that. After some quick tuning in Ryzen Master im at a 1725 MT with a ST score of 203 which i find rather good compared to the old 1360 MT and 159 ST of the 2600. This is with a cheap kit of 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz CL16 Kingston ram.