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The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

melmac said:
Really, and what Intel Motherboard was that? The most expensive boards from 3 years ago were the Z170a ones. ASUS release more BIOS updates because they keep having to fix things the previous BIOS updates mess up. MSI release BIOS tend to be more stable. But, you can always get Beta BIOS from the download section of their forums if you want.
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MSI z270 or Z370 tomahawk whatever takes a 7600k
 
Psycho Sonny said:
MSI z270 or Z370 tomahawk whatever takes a 7600k
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So a motherboard released in the middle of 2017, not three years old, just over 2. The last BIOS update for the Tomahawk was released last year in July.

Since you rate Asus so highly, just checked all their Z270 motherboards. Their most expensive model, the ROG Strix, didn't even make it year. The last BIOS update was in April 2018. ASUS must be terrible too.

Did you ever think that maybe it's because that those Boards don't need anymore BIOS updates? Or, that maybe Intel have stopped releasing microcode for that chipset so there is no need for a BIOS update.
 
melmac said:
So a motherboard released in the middle of 2017, not three years old, just over 2. The last BIOS update for the Tomahawk was released last year in July.

Since you rate Asus so highly, just checked all their Z270 motherboards. Their most expensive model, the ROG Strix, didn't even make it year. The last BIOS update was in April 2018. ASUS must be terrible too.

Did you ever think that maybe it's because that those Boards don't need anymore BIOS updates? Or, that maybe Intel have stopped releasing microcode for that chipset so there is no need for a BIOS update.
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Check the B350 Tomahawk vs Asus B350 boards. The B350 has only had one gen 3 ryzen bios update whereas my other B350 asus board has had 3-4.

you say intel doesn't need BIOS updates. well the board won't recognise my newer faster ram to use it in XMP. i had to revert back to my older slower ram.

maybe i'm being harsh but i've never felt happy with either tomahawk from MSI but I'm far happier in the AMD camp now. where 1 socket can do 4 generations. this is the way forward. i hope they can keep on pushing the speed for gaming and stay level or ahead of intel or at least within touching distance.

i'll be far happier with no need to change motherboard and cpu every year.

also supporting a top end product for 1 year is bad. maybe it doesn't need BIOS updates but surely something must have changed within the past year? even just more RAM compatibility would have been great.
 
I first got a MSI gaming plus b450 but am not impressed. The instruction book is very sparten & tells you the name of the 2 pins to clear the bios but not where they are, then after finding them they're amongst a bank of 4 identical pins.
Also the default bios will not output a display from the mb & continuously fails to post on a VGA fault until it's booted up 20 times, regardless of the output set in bios. Needing a clear bios on each boot.

I'll not go MSI again.
 
Agree completely. I have the same board and it is a steaming pile of dung. Mine will randomly decide not to POST, with no clear pattern as to when it will or will not. Sometimes changing a setting in the BIOS - something as innocuous as the boot order - will cause the board to die and require a BIOS reflash to bring it back. I can't spare the time to do a rebuild with a new motherboard, otherwise the MSI would have been ripped out by now.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
you say intel doesn't need BIOS updates. well the board won't recognise my newer faster ram to use it in XMP. i had to revert back to my older slower ram.

also supporting a top end product for 1 year is bad. maybe it doesn't need BIOS updates but surely something must have changed within the past year? even just more RAM compatibility would have been great.
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I didn't say Intel didn't need BIOS updates. I was talking about that particular chipset, the Z270, because no board manufacturer released an update since 2018 for it. The faster XMP ram you bought wouldn't have worked in any board that needed a BIOS update to make it work.

You were using that board as the reason that MSI were bad, because they stopped support after a year. That means all motherboard manufacturers are bad because none of them released BIOS updates for that chipset after 2018.

And those BIOS updates that were released by ASUS for the b350 and other chipsets seems to have caused problems, hence having to release another one. But, I realise that you want the fastest BIOS updates possible. For me, I want the most stable BIOS release possible even if it takes a little longer and I just don't understand this love of frequent BIOS updates. One board manufacturer releases 5, another releases 2 in the same period, that implies board manufacturer A is better?

I have found that most motherboard makers release BIOS updates pretty quickly if there are problems and more at their own pace if there aren't.
 
I got the ABBA for my b450 aorus M fairly quick and until then I just ran on the very first bios with support for Zen 2 and had no boosting issues really, got what was on the box. Must say that gigabyte has grown on me since my dreaded X58 UD3 board went to ****. The latest bunch of Zen 2 bios' have had loads of functions added to them. Very happy with that and my r5 3600@4,3.
 
I purchased a 1600 when it came out with an ASRock AB350M motherboard, which does support the 3600. My question: Is it worth the upgrade to go to a 3600 from a 1600?
 
The1nonly1 said:
I purchased a 1600 when it came out with an ASRock AB350M motherboard, which does support the 3600. My question: Is it worth the upgrade to go to a 3600 from a 1600?
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I upgraded from a 2600@4,0 to a 3600@4,3 and I'm very happy with that purchase. I've seen a solid increase in especially minimum frame rate which was the sole reason for upgrading. if I had a more powerful GPU than my vega 64 I'm sure the averages between the 2 would be much larger.
 
Just updated my msi B450 tomahawk max bios and the 3600x is finally boosting to 4.4ghz.

Board has been solid, just wasn't boosting beyond 4.2ghz on the older bios.
 
The1nonly1 said:
I purchased a 1600 when it came out with an ASRock AB350M motherboard, which does support the 3600. My question: Is it worth the upgrade to go to a 3600 from a 1600?
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how can we answer a question like that with no information on your usage and whether or not your current cpu is struggling?

i went from 7600K to a 1700x to 8500 or 8400 then back to 7600K now to 3600X.

the happiest I've been is with the 3600X. everything is just so smooth with it. no stutters, quick and easy alt tabbing which is instant.

it's an amazing chip for only £200. i am now selling a 7600k rig (on gumtree) and a 1600x and 1700x cpu's on ebay.

it was worth it to me because i found the 7600K struggling with multitasking whilst gaming.
 
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