The Tesla Thread

[MrRockliffe]

They dropped before the price cut and not gone much lower since.

It’s just a combination of supply and demand, a year ago, the wait list for a new one was 6+ months and they were selling for near new prices which was never sustainable when you can now get a new one in a few weeks.

A bunch of dealers got burnt buying over priced stock as the market was dipping, and now won’t pay much for them. The gap between the trade in price and selling price is huge at the moment.

Other stuff like Musk being a very controversial figure at the moment, electric prices and charging queues over Xmas are impacting prices. Most other electric cars have dropped significantly as well, it’s not unique to tesla.

Was chatting to someone who works at Peugeot the other day. He mentioned they're struggling to get rid of electric at the moment, but hybrids/petrol are doing well. Most people reference the cost of electric being the primary reason.

 

[squerble]

Is the EV Database site reasonably representative for the M3? Looking at the SR+ and it's showing cold highway of 170 miles range, but that's at -10C and 70mph. The site shows 175 range in the same conditions for my Kona and that is probably a bit lower than I'd expect to actually get in real world, as I don't really drive above 65mph and we rarely go below 0C.

 

[FerretBoy]

Would owners consider a M3 (probably SR+) a worthy purchase from a value perspective, even with declining spec (no sensors, for example)? I know a lot of build quality issues are now sorted, but there still seems to be a background stigma of even the MIC models being of poor build quality vs the price.

Or more accurately, is the "ecosystem" in the integrated charging network and much better mobile app worth it over the competition and any remaining shortcomings in the car?.

I'd buy one again. My MIC is a year old now and zero issues with build quality. If buying new you might get HW4... You kinda never know what you will get but generally the spec improves.

In reality loosing the ultrasonic sensors would only make it harder to judge what's in front and the camera system gives clear view of behind and to the sides.

Would not advise getting FSD though it's currently useless in the UK, but I rate the enhanced auto pilot.

 

[squerble]

I'd buy one again. My MIC is a year old now and zero issues with build quality. If buying new you might get HW4... You kinda never know what you will get but generally the spec improves.

In reality loosing the ultrasonic sensors would only make it harder to judge what's in front and the camera system gives clear view of behind and to the sides.

Would not advise getting FSD though it's currently useless in the UK, but I rate the enhanced auto pilot.

Thanks. I won't be getting just yet as I'll need to save a bit of cash to pay my early termination fee on my current car and deposit for the M3 - plus I'm saving for a wedding and honeymoon so they kinda get priority so I want to keep my testicles attached to my body

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Would owners consider a M3 (probably SR+) a worthy purchase from a value perspective, even with declining spec (no sensors, for example)? I know a lot of build quality issues are now sorted, but there still seems to be a background stigma of even the MIC models being of poor build quality vs the price.

Or more accurately, is the "ecosystem" in the integrated charging network and much better mobile app worth it over the competition and any remaining shortcomings in the car?.

Short answer is yes, the slightly longer is…

I own a late 71 plate SR with the 60kwh battery and it’s more car than most people need (ignoring the form factor). It charges very quickly and it’s efficiency is class leading.

When you talk about shortcomings, it’s worth putting it in perspective and looking BEV to BEV. It’s late 2022 price was too high for what’s on offer but at its current price, it’s about right. You have to spend a lot more money to get something materially better (E.g. BMW i4).

Mine has parking sensors so I can’t really comment on if that is a deal breaker. Allegedly the update for park assist is coming in the next few weeks but whether it’s as good as dedicated parking sensors is up for debate. The camera is decent but it does get dirty in winter, I’ve not found it to be a huge issue personally.

‘Hardware 4’ is due soon but what benefit that will bring is anyone’s guess. There are loads of conflicting rumours about extra cameras but the latest seems to be it’s just new cameras in the same locations. Allegedly hardware 3 is good for FSD but I wouldn’t buy it. Standard auto pilot that comes with the car is more than good enough.

If you buy an SR, I wouldn’t bother with the wheel or white interior upgrades, at that point you are almost at long range money.

I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another in the current market if it was written off tomorrow.

Edit: I’d probably actually get a model Y but it’s basically the same car….

Was chatting to someone who works at Peugeot the other day. He mentioned they're struggling to get rid of electric at the moment, but hybrids/petrol are doing well. Most people reference the cost of electric being the primary reason.

I’m not surprised at all. Most people don’t know about things like octopus go. Sure it comes with a higher day rate but you really don’t need to be doing many miles to off set that (circa 3000 for fairly standard house electric usage).

 

[Russinating]

M3 SR+ of 3 years here, no regrets at all. Few issues along the way which have been sorted under warranty, but yeah, the savings, driving experience, charging network... well worth it.

 

[jpaul]

He mentioned they're struggling to get rid of electric at the moment, but hybrids/petrol are doing well

well they've only got the 208 at the moment waiting for the new full electric stallentis astra/306 car, so not fully a player yet;
more saloons in the ev marketplace and the associated economy/range they give can only entice people (away from suv's too)

...
I'm sure dearest Martin must have informed everyone about Octopus Go, most worship at his moneysaving feet.

 

[Fuzz]

99% of the issues social media bleats about regarding tesla are a complete non issue, they are just as reliable / well put together / efficient as any other mainstream car.
It's quiet, fast, well built, the paintworks fine, body lines are fine and it drives flawlessly. It has zero range issues for 99% of people on daily commutes. I didn't even bat an eye lid in the cold weather we had. In fact I'd say it was game changingly a BETTER experience not having to faff about scraping ice off the damn thing before driving away in the morning. The seats were warm, the steering wheel was warm, the cabin was warm and the windows were clear every single morning.. Even the washers jets worked (My commute is motorway so got a lot of that horrible dry white "salt" spray) and everything was just 10 times a better experience.
Now what toys you get in a "poverty model" I don't know as mine is the performance version but god damn best car ever so far.
One warranty claim taken up via the app and that was misty rear lights. photos taken, sent them via the app in the service menu and a van will come to my workplace and change them without me lifting a finger. not having to faff taking it to a dealer and getting a lift of a mate or a hire car or taxi to sort it.. It's just... Taken care of..
The last time I used ANY supercharger / public charger was LAST JUNE!
If you can afford it, DO IT. I cannot see you regretting the decision.

 

[theone8181]

99% of the issues social media bleats about regarding tesla are a complete non issue, they are just as reliable / well put together / efficient as any other mainstream car.
It's quiet, fast, well built, the paintworks fine, body lines are fine and it drives flawlessly. It has zero range issues for 99% of people on daily commutes. I didn't even bat an eye lid in the cold weather we had. In fact I'd say it was game changingly a BETTER experience not having to faff about scraping ice off the damn thing before driving away in the morning. The seats were warm, the steering wheel was warm, the cabin was warm and the windows were clear every single morning.. Even the washers jets worked (My commute is motorway so got a lot of that horrible dry white "salt" spray) and everything was just 10 times a better experience.
Now what toys you get in a "poverty model" I don't know as mine is the performance version but god damn best car ever so far.
One warranty claim taken up via the app and that was misty rear lights. photos taken, sent them via the app in the service menu and a van will come to my workplace and change them without me lifting a finger. not having to faff taking it to a dealer and getting a lift of a mate or a hire car or taxi to sort it.. It's just... Taken care of..
The last time I used ANY supercharger / public charger was LAST JUNE!
If you can afford it, DO IT. I cannot see you regretting the decision.

I agree prewarming/cooling is awesome especially as the cabin hits 60 degrees (C not F) in summer. I much prefer using the supercharger network as you don't have to download 1 of several dozen apps and then set it up, it's just plug and play.

 

[Cosmic182]

What do most of you guys have your teslas on? PCP or hire purchase? I was looking at changing my id3 for a model 3 performance (the id3 is like playing error bingo every morning)
However the monthly costs jump compared to the id3 tour pro s we currently have! Do you mind me asking what some of you Tesla owners pay pm?
The model 3 I was looking at, they were wanting 610 pcm on pcp! This seems crackers?

 

[SDK^]

The model 3 I was looking at, they were wanting 610 pcm on pcp! This seems crackers?

That's probably about right for a M3 LR [It's a £51k car]

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I bought new and took the loan option directly from Tesla with fairly substantial deposit. My loan payments are >£600 a month but it’s a £43k car being paid for fully over few years.

PCP monthly’s are not really comparable unless we know if you are looking at new or used and how much your down payment is. Interests rates have a big impact too these days.

 

[SDK^]

A standard spec new M3 LR on our Salary Sacrifice scheme is £750 per month, which includes insurance, tyres, maintenance and 36k miles over 3 years [zero initial payment]

 

[Cosmic182]

Well the one I was looking at was a 2020 plate with 18k miles on the clock with performance upgrade 449, however fully loaded spec wise. Maybe I’m behind times with prices etc, still seems a lot £610 per month pcp for what isn’t even a “new” car? Or perhaps this is over priced?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

how much is the car to actually buy?

Interest rates for used cars on PCP are usually comically high, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 9-10%.

 

[Cosmic182]

36k

 

[b0rn2sk8]

36k

That seems about right for the car. Look closer at the finance package, what’s the deposit, GFV and interest rate?

Using your own finance/loan is almost always cheaper than PCP on used cars.

 

[Cosmic182]

That seems about right for the car. Look closer at the finance package, what’s the deposit, GFV and interest rate?

Using your own finance/loan is almost always cheaper than PCP on used cars.

Really?

I haven’t discussed the full package etc. it was more of a quick email to get a rough guide of costs to see what may be affordable and what not, however it was zero deposit.
The id3 tour pro s we have is a fair whack cheaper per month, however we are sick of the buggy software and errors constantly. Would it be a worthy upgrade coming from an owners perspective?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Really?

I haven’t discussed the full package etc. it was more of a quick email to get a rough guide of costs to see what may be affordable and what not, however it was zero deposit.
The id3 tour pro s we have is a fair whack cheaper per month, however we are sick of the buggy software and errors constantly. Would it be a worthy upgrade coming from an owners perspective?

Yes, as I mentioned PCP interest rates can be comically high on used cars and the GFV will probably be very low so that pushes up the monthly costs significantly.

Aside from the headlights (the ID.3s are excellent) the model 3 is a massive upgrade over an ID.3 and in performance guise is in a completely different performance class.

 

[Cosmic182]

Do teslas generally have a low GFV? Can’t be any worse than an Id3!

My next question is reliability? I’ve done a bit of online reading and reviews etc and teslas seem to be at the bottoms of the chain for EV reliability according to a lot of online reviews? Is that true? Or gibberish? Can’t imagine the amount of sales tesla have made if it were to be true…