The Tesla Thread

Cosmic182 said:
What do most of you guys have your teslas on? PCP or hire purchase? I was looking at changing my id3 for a model 3 performance (the id3 is like playing error bingo every morning)
However the monthly costs jump compared to the id3 tour pro s we currently have! Do you mind me asking what some of you Tesla owners pay pm?
The model 3 I was looking at, they were wanting 610 pcm on pcp! This seems crackers?
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Cash purchase for me as I'm out of the debt trap after many years
Cosmic182 said:
Do teslas generally have a low GFV? Can’t be any worse than an Id3!

My next question is reliability? I’ve done a bit of online reading and reviews etc and teslas seem to be at the bottoms of the chain for EV reliability according to a lot of online reviews? Is that true? Or gibberish? Can’t imagine the amount of sales tesla have made if it were to be true…
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No idea about future values but on the reliability front....

Horse**** I think. It's possible that the reviews were old ones as in the early days they were uhh.... "learning how to build a car" lol but now... naa the model 3 is a well developed platform.
I can only go by the experience of mine and while I can't say it's been flawless, they have been the most minor issues that hasn't resulted in anything more than software updates to fix.
I am waiting on replacement of my rear light lenses at the moment though, as they have started to mist up, mobile service is booked to come out to my workplace and fix it in the carpark. I don't have to lift a finger or even meet them. That's not happening for a couple of weeks.
 
In terms of outright breakdowns, then yes I'd also say its not an issue. Yes there are some breakdowns but its not that common at all. As the car gets older, I'd suggest a key point of failure is the 12v battery. As everything is electronically actuated on the car, including the bonnet and door handles, if it dies, it can be a PITA if you don't know the procedure to get back in and jump it. The car should tell you its on the way out, replace it ASAP if it does.

Another thing to think about is that their is no spare tyre and they are foam filled so gunk doesn't really work, some people use those plug kits. Tesla will tow you up to 50 miles if you get a puncture while the car is under warranty and for a warranty issue to the closest service centre but they will not tow you if you run out of charge. No one plans to run out but if you get to a charger and its down, your stuffed so I'd still take a proper breakdown cover for that reason.

In terms of my specific car, I had a ranger come out and fix a rattle on the drive and was very convenient. That's it.

Older S and X are less reliable but its a completely different car. Some of the very early cars had issues, I doubt there are many that have the original drive unit in them, all sorted under warranty mind. They have out of warranty issues with door handles and DLR's which can add up though.
 
Cosmic182 said:
Really?

I haven’t discussed the full package etc. it was more of a quick email to get a rough guide of costs to see what may be affordable and what not, however it was zero deposit.
The id3 tour pro s we have is a fair whack cheaper per month, however we are sick of the buggy software and errors constantly. Would it be a worthy upgrade coming from an owners perspective?
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u got the enyaq, runs on the same platform and a custom version of the VW solftware. doesnt seem to have any issue tho.

whats the issue with ID3? laggy infotainment etc?
 
pc-guy said:
u got the enyaq, runs on the same platform and a custom version of the VW solftware. doesnt seem to have any issue tho.

whats the issue with ID3? laggy infotainment etc?
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Correct. More so the errors that are constant, key not in vehicle, dynamic road sign display, reversing sensor error, you name it. It’s a constant daily game of error bingo, been in the garage more than we’ve had it! We got it purely for the longer range however sacrificed the 5th seat as Vw use the rear middle seat for the larger battery. Thus a model 3 would tick all the boxes, even larger range and the 5th seat back ha. The software on a Tesla looks phenomenal compared to the id3!
 
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I part exed my old car and took a loan out. Still jot sure when to change as I believe the performance has an 8 year warranty of battery and motors. Regarding lights, at some point didn't the model 3 start coming with matrix (mines too old as 69 plate). Overall quality is good, but I've had a few daft niggles. Other manufacturers could learn a lot from tesla as I've had a few issues fixed by a ranger (at work and at home) which saved me booking days off to go to a garage-infacg he changed both the squeaky/siezed joints on the front axle in the work car park which I was pretty impressed with. Nice to know that you don't even have to be at your car for them to start and do the work either. On a bad note the rear camera seems to be a real dirt magnetic, and whatever you do don't get white as its forever dirty :p .
 
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Cosmic182 said:
Correct. More so the errors that are constant, key not in vehicle, dynamic road sign display, reversing sensor error, you name it. It’s a constant daily game of error bingo, been in the garage more than we’ve had it! We got it purely for the longer range however sacrificed the 5th seat as Vw use the rear middle seat for the larger battery. Thus a model 3 would tick all the boxes, even larger range and the 5th seat back ha. The software on a Tesla looks phenomenal compared to the id3!
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i do get the issue with the sensors. they are like super sensitive to dirt on the lens. i get the front brake assist no available all the time if the wind screen has rain/mist/dirt.

i have to agree that electric cars more than half of the value is the software.

you can probably live with the minimalistic interior and hard texture everywhere. but the software is the brain of the thing. anyway, many review says the Enyaq software is better than VW ID3/ID4 hopefully VW sort their act out.

tho, if i have to buy again, Tesla would be the choice just cos their prices are now on par with all the other maunfacturers with the recent price cut. and also access to Super Charger up and down the motorways is a massive plus.
 
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pc-guy said:
when people say Ranger from Tesla, is that American thing?

what do they do in UK?
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I call it ranger but they do it here. My work is near Hull and they've travelled from Leeds to do it (for free as it was a warranty claim). I think I'd probably get them to do the 12v battery too when it eventually dies, not that I've had warnings yet.
 
pc-guy said:
when people say Ranger from Tesla, is that American thing?

what do they do in UK?
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It’s mobile service.

They rock up in a modified model S with all the tools and parts and do what they need to do where ever your car is. You book it via the app and you don’t even need to speak to them or give them the key. The car goes into service mode as they approach and get they can get in and do what they need to do and it locks itself once they are done.

They can do most things via a ranger apart from larger disassembles and anything that needs a lift or heavy workshop tools.

I had a ranger fix a rattling door card on my drive. Nice chap as well. I did take him for a quick drive as it was easier for him to sit in the back to work out which panel was causing the issue, but otherwise I left him to it.
 
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i heard the 12V battery is monitored in Tesla cars so that they are topped up whenever...so doesnt suffer the same fate as most other EVs where the 12V isnt actively charged up by the HV system unless you physically starts the car or pre-conditions the car.
 
pc-guy said:
i heard the 12V battery is monitored in Tesla cars so that they are topped up whenever...so doesnt suffer the same fate as most other EVs where the 12V isnt actively charged up by the HV system unless you physically starts the car or pre-conditions the car.
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That’s correct but it also has its downsides.

There is also a lot more going on in a Tesla like the autopilot computer which is always running when the car is on so they do die very quickly if there is a problem. When I say quickly, we are talking about under an hour.

It’s not like a leaf where you can put in your physical key, pull a mechanically connected door handle and pull a mechanically connected bonnet/boot release.

To get back into the car you need to take off the towing eye cap, pull out the two little cables and use a jump pack on them will pop the bonnet. You can then get to the 12V battery to jump it directly. Only at that point can you boot the cars computer to get the doors etc working.

If the HV battery dies or you run it down to the point the car shuts down, it will probably stop charging your 12v battery and if you leave the car ‘on’, it will probably go flat before recovery gets to you.
 
A few random questions on a quiet Friday.

Do any model 3 owners transport push bikes on the roof of their car? There is 4 of us and need to be able to get 4 bikes on the roof.

What's the size of the boot like? If we go abroad then we usually take 2 big suitcases for the 4 of us.

How does it work leaving the car for long periods of time - if we were going away and left the car at the airport for 10 days presumeably it holds it's charge?

Also, can you put the seats down for tip runs etc? I'm considering a switch but coming from a 3 series estate so we'll be losing some luggage space.
 
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I can’t answer about the bikes but the boot is massive, it just has a small opening being a saloon car.

Leaving it is fine for long periods, don’t use sentry mode and you’ll probably drop <1% in 10 days.

The seats go down and it’s a fairly flat load area with no lip where the boot meets the back of the seats.
 
Don’t have model 3

But leaving EV for 10days or longer won’t be an issue. The charge holds well.

Model 3 boot is quite small. So might not get 2 massive suitcases in. You may get a big one and two smaller ones.
 
pc-guy said:
Tbh that must be it. It is a tiny aperture.

Can you actually get a large suitcase in through that opening.
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Yes, easily. you have 45cm height to play with, a large suitcase isn't more than 33/34.

Shamlessly stolen from the internet:

  • Min width bottom 37 inches
  • Min width top 31 inches
  • Max depth (seats up) 42 inches
  • Max height 18 inches
  • Depth (seats down) 67 inches to rear seats, 75 inches to front seats
  • Trunk cubby width 27 inches top, 24 inches bottom
  • Cubby depth 18 inches top, 15 inches bottom
  • Cubby height 12 inches
In theory you should be able to get in two 75x51x33 suitcases in sideways.
 
Just saw a Tesla service car driving around in local area. Never noticed them before now you guys mentioned. I have started noticing them.

Is this part of the service as Tesla? Like how many years of cover do you get or is it life time thing?
 
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