The Tesla Thread

[Simon]

pretty sure the fremont ones didn't have the heatpump (as explained in the video when he opens the bonnet (*frunk* shudders) which you WILL want in the UK.

Why? Heat pumps help with rang but it’s not that cold here and heat pumps run cooler anyway

 

[Fuzz]

efficiency

 

[FerretBoy]

I think we are getting a bit carried away with regards to freemont cars. The main issues were around general panel fitting etc. Surely checking it out and taking for a test drive would spot the issues/rattles.

The drive train is fine, missing a heat pump isn't the end of the world. Suspension might need lubrication, but then the MIC cars had the same issue.

 

[Cosmic182]

In regards to range, my current id3 manufacturer stats are 336 miles on a 100% charge….in the real world with everything turned off etc, and temp dependant, I get around 280-290 so the lack of heat pump etc wouldn’t worry me as still more than enough range.

The main worry is pre 2020 models seem to have the most demons in regards to online reviews? That and older software? £600ish a month seems a lot for a 4 yr car with potential niggles.

 

[Fuzz]

Why? Heat pumps help with rang but it’s not that cold here and heat pumps run cooler anyway

Untrue.

 

[Cosmic182]

Realistically maybe we can’t compare a 2019 model 3 performance to a current year one (as I couldn’t afford a 22/23 model) I guess what I should have said was to compare the model 3 above to my current Id3 tour pro s….as in which is better, would I face more potential problems now and in the foreseeable future with a pre facelift model 3 than what I do currently with the ID3 and is the extra a month worth spending on an older car/older model 3.

 

[theone8181]

Wow I paid 44k for my 69 plate about 15 months ago (with more miles) and when I got mine it was one of the cheapest.

 

[FerretBoy]

That and older software?

We all get the same software, personally took 30 updates in a year, around 12 changed functionality.

Agree that £600 a month is a lot for a car

 

[b0rn2sk8]

In regards to range, my current id3 manufacturer stats are 336 miles on a 100% charge….in the real world with everything turned off etc, and temp dependant, I get around 280-290 so the lack of heat pump etc wouldn’t worry me as still more than enough range.

The main worry is pre 2020 models seem to have the most demons in regards to online reviews? That and older software? £600ish a month seems a lot for a 4 yr car with potential niggles.

As you have the 77kwh ID.3, which I believe is useable capacity, the Model 3 has a 75kwh total pack. The ID will out range the Model 3 in all conditions.

The original Model 3 performance gets 200-250 miles in the real world but it will leave the ID.3 for dust.

It’s pretty much the same range as my 71 plate standard range car with a 60kwh battery. That said, I can’t say range is ever an issue and those 2019 cars charge at up to 250kw.

Let’s not get too OTT on the china vs Fremont thing. The 2019 cars don’t have any more demons than a newer car, it’s just the general fit and finish isn’t as good but that’s what a new factory and an interior refresh gives you.

The core elements of the car are pretty much the same and the drivetrain has an 8 year warranty. If anything the the 2019 car is a lot less complex in terms of its heating and cooling system.

While it doesn’t get the benefits of the octovale and heat pump, it’s PCT heater is considerably less complex and cheaper to replace if it breaks. I’ve seen a few invoices for an octovale and heat pump, not cheap.

 

[theone8181]

As you have the 77kwh ID.3, which I believe is useable capacity, the Model 3 has a 75kwh total pack. The ID will out range the Model 3 in all conditions.

The original Model 3 performance gets 200-250 miles in the real world but it will leave the ID.3 for dust.

It’s pretty much the same range as my 71 plate standard range car with a 60kwh battery. That said, I can’t say range is ever an issue and those 2019 cars charge at up to 250kw.

Let’s not get too OTT on the china vs Fremont thing. The 2019 cars don’t have any more demons than a newer car, it’s just the general fit and finish isn’t as good but that’s what a new factory and an interior refresh gives you.

The core elements of the car are pretty much the same and the drivetrain has an 8 year warranty. If anything the the 2019 car is a lot less complex in terms of its heating and cooling system.

While it doesn’t get the benefits of the octovale and heat pump, it’s PCT heater is considerably less complex and cheaper to replace if it breaks. I’ve seen a few invoices for an octovale and heat pump, not cheap.

I'm not sure you can just compare battery sizes as there's more variables that that. For instance the long range has the same size battery as the performance but gets much higher range, its got smaller/lighter wheels (think they are normally a bit more eco focused tyres too), those fancy wheel covers and I suspect they don't get "redlined" like a performance would. I also thought the model 3 (in general) was pretty efficient amongst evs anyway.

 

[DanielSon]

I'm not sure you can just compare battery sizes as there's more variables that that. For instance the long range has the same size battery as the performance but gets much higher range, its got smaller/lighter wheels (think they are normally a bit more eco focused tyres too), those fancy wheel covers and I suspect they don't get "redlined" like a performance would. I also thought the model 3 (in general) was pretty efficient amongst evs anyway.

Totally. I have 2019 SR+ With 50KWh pack. Rated at 220 miles. Don't ever do long drives needing the full capacity but in the summer I can average 200wh/ mile. And even last week did 87 miles at 212wh/mile. Traffic was slow so low average speed but did it easy with no worries at all. M1 and M25.

 

[rG-tom]

The rear space in an ID.3 is much better than a Model 3 though, and the Model 3’s boot aperture is quite limiting.

Which is why the model Y exists, absolutely loads more boot space and rear legroom. I'm 6'4, and the back of my 4 series gran coupe i can't get behind my own chair when it's at my driving position. My wife's model Y I can sit with my legs out comfortably and knees nowhere near touching in the back with drivers seat set up for me. it's a quite an unusual configuration in that the rear seats are lower than the front seats so there's loads of space under the front seats to extend legs into:

A few random questions on a quiet Friday.

Do any model 3 owners transport push bikes on the roof of their car? There is 4 of us and need to be able to get 4 bikes on the roof.

What's the size of the boot like? If we go abroad then we usually take 2 big suitcases for the 4 of us.

How does it work leaving the car for long periods of time - if we were going away and left the car at the airport for 10 days presumeably it holds it's charge?

Also, can you put the seats down for tip runs etc? I'm considering a switch but coming from a 3 series estate so we'll be losing some luggage space.

coming from a 3 touring i'd get a Y, even more load space than the 3 series touring.

 

[djay]

I have been looking into an EV for quite a while and was kind of set on the iPace, that was until I went and test drove a Model 3P.

Wow, I loved it from the off. I looked at getting one on the work EV car scheme but could not bring myself to pay what they were asking so instead I picked up a 2020 Tesla Model 3P with 20k miles. It looks like new, everything about it is pristine.

I have to say it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it and an even bigger smile when I show it someone who has never been in one! They are all amazed by just how quick it is.

I love it.

 

[FerretBoy]

I have been looking into an EV for quite a while and was kind of set on the iPace, that was until I went and test drove a Model 3P.

Wow, I loved it from the off. I looked at getting one on the work EV car scheme but could not bring myself to pay what they were asking so instead I picked up a 2020 Tesla Model 3P with 20k miles. It looks like new, everything about it is pristine.

I have to say it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it and an even bigger smile when I show it someone who has never been in one! They are all amazed by just how quick it is.

I love it.

Indeed the 0-60 headlines, whilst impressive, just don't convay how responsive it is. To me that's the most impressive part. The performance is on tap all the time, instantly.

I think the counter argument is that it is a little sterile. A problem with most modern ICE cars too, to a lesser extent. That said this is a boon day to day, especially not having some loud performance exhaust for several hundred miles on the motorway.

 

[rG-tom]

Indeed the 0-60 headlines, whilst impressive, just don't convay how responsive it is. To me that's the most impressive part. The performance is on tap all the time, instantly.

I think the counter argument is that it is a little sterile. A problem with most modern ICE cars too, to a lesser extent. That said this is a boon day to day, especially not having some loud performance exhaust for several hundred miles on the motorway.

My main car is a 440i with the mperformance power and sound kit, so ~380bhp and when in sport very very loud. Wife's car is the model Y performance that I drive as much these days.

You're absolutely bang on the money about the responsiveness, once rolling, if my 440i is in the right gear it's not very far off, but you have to keep it on the boil. The sound and building of power etc is definitely more "fun" in the 440i (and it feels far faster once you're into illegal speeds, the tesla drops off far quicker), but for "normal" driving, pulling into gaps at roundabouts etc, the MYP is absolutely lightyears better. Even though the gearbox is as good as it gets in the 440i, and it's an incredible engine with lots of torque everywhere, it just can't get close for normal driving.

 

[theone8181]

So I've had the car over a year now and I've finally realised the drop in power when the car is lower in charge is real. I thought I was going mad, so I'm just going to charge every night. Is that going to cause any issues, do the batteries need discharging much?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

You have a performance right? The drop in power is certainly real but really you are talking about 0.3s difference between 100% and 30%.

Either way, no and no.

Just set the charge limit to between 80-90% and plug in daily.

 

[theone8181]

You have a performance right? The drop in power is certainly real but really you are talking about 0.3s difference between 100% and 30%.

Either way, no and no.

Just set the charge limit to between 80-90% and plug in daily.

It feels more than that at speed. I found a graph that shows the torque drop off quitte a bit, I'll try and link it.

As I say it'd more noticeably at speed when overtaking. Far less noticeable at low speed (until I made the mistake of dropping below 100 miles range).

 

[FerretBoy]

When was the graph produced? I know they have made changes to increase power delivery at lower battery over recent years.

For me under 20% is really noticeable. Above that it is hard to tell if it is a real difference or just my imagination

 

[theone8181]

When was the graph produced? I know they have made changes to increase power delivery at lower battery over recent years.

For me under 20% is really noticeable. Above that it is hard to tell if it is a real difference or just my imagination

Not sure, I had a look on the website but there's no dates. I don't think it's placebo, but it is more when overtaking dawdlers doing 40 in 60.