The Tesla Thread

FerretBoy said:
When was the graph produced? I know they have made changes to increase power delivery at lower battery over recent years.

For me under 20% is really noticeable. Above that it is hard to tell if it is a real difference or just my imagination
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My experience of a model Y performance is that it definitely feels sharpest above 70, and then once you get below 30 it is noticeable and under 20 really noticeable.
 
About a month after purchasing my model 3 performance I persuaded myself that it had lost performance. I even went as far as charging it up and doing several 0-60s (3.2 seconds consistently). Amazing what one can get used too!

Even under 20 it's still more responsive than the ICE cars, but yeah not nearly as fun as when it has full power.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Only for those who got their cars in the last 6 months without any park assist.
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Although Park Assist was initially included in FSD Beta 11.3.2 and limited to North American markets, Tesla is rolling out Park Assist to additional markets with update 2023.6.9.

Currently, the Vision Park Assist feature is compatible with Model 3 and Model Y vehicles. Users also have the option to turn off Park Assist if they prefer, just like owners with USS. This innovative technology offers 360-degree detection, instead of just front and rear

Vision Park Assist does not currently apply to vehicles with ultrasonic sensors. However, since Vision Park Assist does provide some advantages over its hardware-based version, it'll be interesting to see if Tesla incorporates it into all vehicles in the future as the feature matures.

As more Tesla owners install and utilize Vision Park Assist, the feature is expected to improve. The company will use the collected data to enhance distance estimates, aiming for accuracy on par with sensor-based systems.

Tesla's Vision Park Assist offers visual and auditory alerts for objects in the vehicle's surroundings, utilizing the occupancy network to generate high-definition object outlines. However, it is essential to remember that this feature should be treated as guidance, not as a substitute for an attentive driver.
 
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dLockers said:
That is a lot of words to describe reversing camera?
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No, its the camera based system to replace normal parking (ultrasonic) sensors using the cameras on the car. They use the cameras to estimate the distance to objects and an 'occupancy network' to 'remember' where obstacles are which it can no longer see as you move forwards.

For context, the front camera is at the top of the windscreen so there is a dead zone at the front of the car that it can't see, hence the need for an occupancy network to deal with objects as you move forward. Tesla has not been shipping cars with the aforementioned sensors since October so those cars didn't have any kind of park assist until they get this update.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
No, its the camera based system to replace normal parking (ultrasonic) sensors using the cameras on the car. They use the cameras to estimate the distance to objects and an 'occupancy network' to 'remember' where obstacles are which it can no longer see as you move forwards.

For context, the front camera is at the top of the windscreen so there is a dead zone at the front of the car that it can't see, hence the need for an occupancy network to deal with objects as you move forward. Tesla has not been shipping cars with the aforementioned sensors since October so those cars didn't have any kind of park assist until they get this update.
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Ah interesting. My Merc has sensors along the full length of the car/front and rear so it doesn't need to remember.
 
dLockers said:
Ah interesting. My Merc has sensors along the full length of the car/front and rear so it doesn't need to remember.
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So does my Model 3 as its not less than 6 months old.

The reality of why they have done this is that it saves a material amount of cost per car, something like $100-$150 per car once you include all the hardware and labour costs of plugging in 8+ connectors per car that can't really be done by machine. While $100 isn't a lot per car and developing software isn't free, it still over $100 million saving per year per 1 million cars and in theory, you only have to do the hard work of develop the software once. At that sort of run rate, the RoI would be measured in months.

Now whether it works reliably or not, that remains to be seen but its is a huge competitive advantage of your competitors who don't have the capability to build something like this in house. For someone like VW, deleting parking sensors could save them nearer $1 billion in cost every year, they sold 10 million cars in 2019....
 
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The whole removal of the sensors and attempting to use optical cameras and software as a replacement is just another in the increasing line of things Tesla does differently for no real benefit to customers.
A 40-50k car should have parking sensors on it (and an actual rain sensor would be nice for the wipers).....

If in future they release an update that disables the sensors and forces the vision only park assist I'll be tempted to see what the legal grounds of handing the car back to the finance company based on its specification being artificially lowered by software updates (I've already lost my radar). Fairly sure you can't really avoid the updates unless you literally just ignore the constant notification and never connect to wifi but if it goes into a service centre for anything they'd probably update it.
I do wonder what the legal/consumer rights aspect is, I signed an agreement for a car with radar cruise control and parking sensors, so far I still have the parking sensors at least....

Now before anyone goes on a rampage about the stupidity of the above I know its probably covered under something and you wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
If it worked. I also park my car at night, so I’ll champion sensors.

It won’t be anything near $100 for the hardware either… how much do you think cameras add?!? Spoon fed the Tesla Kool-Aid there dude.
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Thanks for that.

The cameras that are already on every tesla that has shipped for years. You are right, there isn’t $100 labour which is why I said hardware and labour, the car doesn’t build itself for free at the end of the day. :)

All I did was merely explain their rationale, saving cost, or making more profit. I did not once mention any advantages for the customer at all, only advantages for tesla.

I even suggested some skepticism as whether it’s actually any good or not… I’m almost sure the internet will be full of videos of it doing getting it completely wrong if it isn’t already.

I didn’t mention it in my post but let’s not beat around the bush, it’s a pretty **** move to ship £40k-£60k cars for 6 months without a park assist function with the promise of the replacement ‘coming soon’.
 
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