This is why people are losing respect for the police...

[Rroff]

You can’t wave what he did away with empty platitudes like ‘it doensn’t work like that ‘ or ‘you don’t know the context’. In that moment the guy wasn’t a threat, and this guy chose violence. Completely unjustified.

I'm not waving away what he did - but it doesn't work like you are saying - you absolutely need the full context as attempting to apprehend someone where they appear subdued and there is no previous interaction is a very different story if he'd previously appeared subdued but managed to present a significant threat.

I'm not excusing that officer - it absolutely looks like he either saw red or was on a power trip - but almost any level of force could be used if the situation justified it i.e. he could appear subdued but there was solid intel available that he presented a deadly threat in some manner.

As before the red flag for me is the way he jumped on to the second suspect.

 

[Caracus2k]

saw a lot during the covid protest clamp downs, anger punches, setting dogs on people etc.

they aren't as professional as they once were, more like a security force of thugs

I think there's a considerable amount of rose-tinted glasses going on.

What's changed is the exponential increase in video footage due to smart phones / BWV and the expansion of CCTV.

Police 'retribution' style violence was more common and to quite a degree more institutionalised decades ago. It was just much more out of view.

 

[The Funktopus]

saw a lot during the covid protest clamp downs, anger punches, setting dogs on people etc.

they aren't as professional as they once were, more like a security force of thugs

Bit of a tenuous link for an anecdote, but my wife’s cousin’s husband works for a Police force here in the north west, and part of what he does touches on recruitment, and he quite often finds that candidates they reject as unsuitable for the role suddenly turn up a few months later working for one of the bigger forces, namely the Met, and as in this case, GMP. And the force he works for has a recruitment shortfall, yet still rejects these people, while those bigger forces must be in a so much worse situation that I guess they have no option but to take them.

 

[StriderX]

Which means more decent, good natured officers get beaten down having to work with these useless thugs forcing them out for even more trash that at some point it must surely be less policing and more Pinkertons.

These bigger forces are clearly just too big to command well and need to be broken up.

 

[arknor]

I suspects aspects of policing were never that professional; just organised thugs but these days they are much more visible through advent of social media etc. Either way, poor training / temperament for the job.

I grew up in a really really terrible area.
A brand new council estate built around the 80s that became a massive dumping ground for problem families.

So I grew up with kids who ended up as career criminals.
they started crime about 12/13 shoplifting, by the time they were 14/15 they were stealing motor bikes, cars, robbing houses etc

Never once did I ever hear of anyone being beaten by the police, even though they would have deserved it.

I got arrested a few times for minor things and was known to the police/CID
I was always treated well, they were never heavy handed etc when applying the cuffs and always seemed like nice people just doing a job tbh

Maybe with adults they would be different but I doubt it.

sometimes the police would come to the farmland where we would ride stolen motorbikes and just be friendly with us like they were checking in and then leave.

better to be entertained than to be committing crime I guess.

 

[darkgen]

I grew up in a really really terrible area.
A brand new council estate built around the 80s that became a massive dumping ground for problem families.

So I grew up with kids who ended up as career criminals.
they started crime about 12/13 shoplifting, by the time they were 14/15 they were stealing motor bikes, cars, robbing houses etc

Never once did I ever hear of anyone being beaten by the police, even though they would have deserved it.

I got arrested a few times for minor things and was known to the police/CID
I was always treated well, they were never heavy handed etc when applying the cuffs and always seemed like nice people just doing a job tbh

Maybe with adults they would be different but I doubt it.

sometimes the police would come to the farmland where we would ride stolen motorbikes and just be friendly with us like they were checking in and then leave.

better to be entertained than to be committing crime I guess.

Aye. Grew up on the Brunswick Centre, before it became all gentrified, in the 70/80s and ended up in all sorts of scrapes with the old bill, in and around Holborn. It was brilliant! Coppers more often than not, gave you a clip around the ear and booted you on your way if they caught you.

 

[Caracus2k]

These bigger forces are clearly just too big to command well and need to be broken up.

An absolutely terrible idea.

A number of smaller forces trying to police the same wider urban conorbations whilst coordinating the need for specialist units like firearms, forensics murder investigation teams, 'county lines' crime etc Is a recipe for failure and a more expensive police force.

 

[j4ska]

These wannabe gangsters should be happy they can see daylight again...

All support to Police doing their job, they are way too soft in this country.

 

[Diddums]

they are way too soft restricted in this country.

FTFY

 

[The_One]

Count themselves lucky it was in the uk, a spanish airport and the civil guard wouldnt of messed about either but they would have waited until in the van

 

[StriderX]

An absolutely terrible idea.

A number of smaller forces trying to police the same wider urban conorbations whilst coordinating the need for specialist units like firearms, forensics murder investigation teams, 'county lines' crime etc Is a recipe for failure and a more expensive police force.

Well then I suppose the MET will just have to keep having a mountain of scandals that betray the public trust and demoralise every police force in the country instead.

 

[Caracus2k]

Well then I suppose the MET will just have to keep having a mountain of scandals that betray the public trust and demoralise every police force in the country instead.

Much like the issue with the increased availability of video footage and people thinking unwarranted police violence is getting worse, because we see more it now, you've got the relationship the wrong way around.

Not far of a quarter of all police officers in England and Wales are officers in the Metropolitan Police. With the Greater London area being a very 'diverse' area with particular high profile/ high risk issues surrounding crime, community cohesion, high profile targets etc.